2023 Season | Week 15 | Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ Bills | 12/17/2023

[Simpleton]

this team also seems to do better when people aren’t praising them. They might need the us against the world.

The defense definitely does.

 

[boozeman]

Sign Rolando!

As shitty as they looked yesterday, why not?

 

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[Genghis Khan]

It meant nothing to the Giants and they basically decided to go out and play for the hell of it because of the circumstances, that one performance doesn't outweigh the fact that we killed them twice and they lost several other embarrassing games.

If the Eagles had beaten us twice this year, convincingly, and the rest of the season went like it did (Arizona loss, yesterday's blowout), would you feel really swell if we played the 49ers close at home in the season finale (but lost) in a game that made no difference to us?

I seriously doubt it.

No but the point is the Giants showed signs that they could be extremely competitive against one of the best teams of all time.

Surely you are aware of our recent history.

 

[Genghis Khan]

What? So we lose Hankins and its okeedokee fine if Parsons cant or wont play the run?

No but I think it's obvious what his main job is.

 

[UncleMilti]

He didn't exactly distinguish himself today. Sometimes it feels like if he doesn't get to the QB, no one does. Fowler and Armstrong are repeating their late season swoon from last year, and DLaw is a run stopper only at this point.

Yep. Not a lot of pressure at all last night, and it really didn’t matter since you had one damn guy put up over 200 yards of offense on the ground by himself. And, this isn’t an anomaly- it’s happened numerous times when we needed a game or were in a playoff game.
What’s hilarious is the media never once asked PT Barnum why he refuses to address the deficiencies at NT, the DL, and another pressure player at DE.
Everyone professes to the world over how “elite” the D is….but are they really that good?? When you give up that kind of yardage to a RB, can’t get to the QB, you can’t be considered elite.

 

[Simpleton]

No but the point is the Giants showed signs that they could be extremely competitive against one of the best teams of all time.

Surely you are aware of our recent history.

It just feels like a whole lot hindsight right now, nobody at the time thought "hey, wow this might be the NFC favorite" because they lost a close one in that game.

Like I said, if we were playing the 49ers in the finale at home this year and lost a close one, while losing twice to the Eagles by 10+ and being blown out a few other times, something tells me you wouldn't be puffing your chest out about it.

 

[boozeman]

Said it yesterday, the offensive gameplan was also bad. You cannot support a defense having a tough day when you don't call an aggressive game after falling behind.

 

[p1_]

No but I think it's obvious what his main job is.

He needs to bring something else when teams decide to run the ball 49 times . Yes, 49 runs .
Parsons, 2 tackles.

 

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[Simpleton]

Yea Mazi was only so so but he wasn't at fault for most of the big runs, most of them were to the perimeter or cut backs where he held the POA but the LB's or ends weren't able to wrap around or hold the backside to clean up.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I don't think Hankins being around to play 40% of the snaps would've made much difference, the entire defense was discombobulated and running around like idiots against the run, overrunning their gaps, opening up big cut back lanes and so forth. It looked exactly like the Arizona game earlier in the year honestly.

I don't think you can reduce it to Hankins only playing 40% of the snaps, because if they are shutting down the run and forcing them to pass the ball, he's not needed for those other 60% of snaps anyway.

 

[Texas Ace]

If you see the other team rushing to the line and haven't seen the replay but it's the first half, challenge anyway or at least burn a timeout. Timeouts are rarely important in the first half but a turnover or even an incomplete pass sure as hell could be.

Exactly.

I get what you would be hesitant to burn a time out in the second half but why not be willing to risk losing that in the first half?

You gotta throw the flag for the hell of it there.

 

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[Texas Ace]

The Ernster has spoken. Case closed!

 

[Texas Ace]

It wasn't meaningless at all to the Patriots.

Nor to the Giants.

 

[Simpleton]

I don't think you can reduce it to Hankins only playing 40% of the snaps, because if they are shutting down the run and forcing them to pass the ball, he's not needed for those other 60% of snaps anyway.

Sure, that was my flippant way of saying I don't think Hankins would've made any difference yesterday.

I made a point to watch Mazi throughout to see how he'd hold up and he really wasn't the reason we were getting gashed. He was mostly average, certainly didn't do a lot to shut things down on his own obviously, but he was ok between the A/B gaps for the most part and most of the damage was down to the perimeter and on cut backs to the backside.

He certainly got beat on a few plays, including a few of the plays that ended up being big gainers, but the shitty run defense was a total team effort, just like in Arizona where Hankins was playing.

 

[Tony D]

Yea, I mean I keep going back to last year's playoffs, everyone rightly expected SF to completely overrun our defense because we had several games similar to the one yesterday where the run defense got abused up and down the field.

Then we get into the playoffs and the defense plays lights out in both games, including against SF at full strength on the road.

For whatever reason it seems that Quinn and the defense are prone to these sorts of shit performances a few times a year and then once they get humbled and right their heads they respond well.

The one thing we have to do in the playoffs is come out like the Bills did yesterday. They were physical right from the get go. You have to play like that. They almost took Dak out twice and if they did they would've been fine with the penalty. There's a time for that shit and we always pick the wrong time.

That weak roughing call on Allen. If you're going to get a penalty get your money's worth.