Short List at 10

[ravidubey]

I think the best plan would be to resign Gallup. If anything I'd consider moving on from Cooper in a couple of years to save cap space. Ideally I keep all 3 receivers until Lamb is requiring a new deal. Then I part with Cooper. Luckily we have Lamb for a few more years before we need to consider that.

It’s true Coopers contract lets us out in 2022 with 6mil in dead money.

But Gallup, like Sammy Watkins after his Rams stint, is going to demand #1 money but he’s not a true #1 WR like Cooper has consistently been. He will be nearly as expensive as Amari, and likely when combined with Coopers dead money will take up as much money.

And money aside, Cooper has been the better player. Isn’t it better to have the better player?

Pitts gives us the kind of intermediate threat that keeps the chains moving and Dak from getting hit. He can also hit big plays, run away from defenders, and is plain crazy in the red zone. The TEs we have now are serviceable, but Pitts can’t be covered. Talent wise Pitts is a huge upgrade.

Anyways as Pitts’ combine results come in he probably won’t fall to us anyway.

 

[Simpleton]

It’s true Coopers contract lets us out in 2022 with 6mil in dead money.

But Gallup, like Sammy Watkins after his Rams stint, is going to demand #1 money but he’s not a true #1 WR like Cooper has consistently been. He will be nearly as expensive as Amari, and likely when combined with Coopers dead money will take up as much money.

And money aside, Cooper has been the better player. Isn’t it better to have the better player?

Pitts gives us the kind of intermediate threat that keeps the chains moving and Dak from getting hit. He can also hit big plays, run away from defenders, and is plain crazy in the red zone. The TEs we have now are serviceable, but Pitts can’t be covered. Talent wise Pitts is a huge upgrade.

Anyways as Pitts’ combine results come in he probably won’t fall to us anyway.

Yea, I don't really get the idea of re-signing Gallup and letting Cooper go and using that as an argument against taking Pitts. If anything I think that's an argument for taking Pitts.

Our offense is going to become more pass-centric very soon as Elliott is phased out and I want to maintain the advantage we currently have of deploying 3 top-tier targets in the passing game. If we scale it back to just Gallup/Lamb or Cooper/Lamb we can definitely get by just fine, but the whole point of taking Lamb was to build an almost unguardable WR corps, and I think we should aim to keep that advantage.

If that means re-signing Gallup, fine, and I would still consider Pitts at 10 but not over Parsons or Rousseau, he'd basically just be a fall-back if he's the clear, unquestioned BPA if our choices are down to like Pitts/Surtain/Paye and we can't move down.

If the plan is to let Cooper or Gallup go in a year or two then Pitts would be pretty much at the top of my list, because he may be the BPA regardless, he's a truly special talent at TE (I agree that he's the best receiving TE I've ever seen coming out) and we'd be able to maintain our "elite pass-catcher" group with Lamb/Pitts and either Gallup or Cooper, with two of them on rookie deals.

 

[Cotton]

No way am I cutting Cooper or Gallup, and hoping for their replacement in the draft. I think that would be fantastically retarded.

 

[Genghis Khan]

No way am I cutting Cooper or Gallup, and hoping for their replacement in the draft. I think that would be fantastically retarded.

It makes little sense to me to create a problem just because you have the ability to solve it.

I get that in a couple years we probably have a numbers crunch at receiver. But we have major and immediate issues that, if we don't address those, they will render tomorrow's problems very moot.

 

[boozeman]

Gotta watch Barmore closer, he kinda disappointed early in the year and got real hot later in the year. I'm not sure how strong he really is against the run so the championship should be a good litmus test.

Seems to be more of a 3-T.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Gotta watch Barmore closer, he kinda disappointed early in the year and got real hot later in the year. I'm not sure how strong he really is against the run so the championship should be a good litmus test.

Yeah I do too. He has ideal size. Some Alabama D-lineman turn out to be excellent pros and some flame out. I'll have to watch him more because 6 sacks is pretty good for a man his size.

 

[DontCryWolfe]

Uhh... you told me to say that?

And, so does/did* your mom. But we all need to make a living somehow, I guess.


*In case you try and use the tried and true internet fall back of 'my mom is dead'.

Sorry dude, I drank enough to get Keith Richards buzzed last night while watching Staubach Navy highlights.

Its my go to in terms of post regular season failure catharsis.

 

[ravidubey]

No way am I cutting Cooper or Gallup, and hoping for their replacement in the draft. I think that would be fantastically retarded.

It’s not about cutting Gallup, just not paying him huge money with a new contract

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It’s not about cutting Gallup, just not paying him huge money with a new contract

When you draft good players you keep them through their prime. If you don't you're just treading water. So you draft Gallup's replacement and let a really good player go all you did was stay the same. If you draft a really good defensive player and keep Gallup you get better.

 

[NoDak]

When you draft good players you keep them through their prime. If you don't you're just treading water. So you draft Gallup replacement and let a really good player go all you did was stay the same. If you draft a really good player and keep Gallup you get better.

Not to mention, while letting that good young players go, you're HOPING that they guy you draft will be just as good. Nothing is guaranteed. Not even Pitts. Players bust every year.

 

[ravidubey]

When you draft good players you keep them through their prime. If you don't you're just treading water. So you draft Gallup replacement and let a really good player go all you did was stay the same. If you draft a really good player and keep Gallup you get better.

Pitts is significantly better than Gallup, and he plays a position that creates mismatches by design. He’s way too fast for LBs and routinely humiliates DBs in man coverage.

Gallup is a good WR, 34th in the league by stats. Pitts has a chance to be the best TE.

Gallup is redundant as a deep threat, Lamb and Cooper have that already covered. Pitts is an intermediate to deep threat who creates mismatches. The talent difference is huge, and we’d have him on the cheap for five years.

 

[Rev]

Pitts is significantly better than Gallup, and he plays a position that creates mismatches by design. He’s way too fast for LBs and routinely humiliates DBs in man coverage.

Gallup is a good WR, 34th in the league by stats. Pitts has a chance to be the best TE.

Gallup is redundant as a deep threat, Lamb and Cooper have that already covered. Pitts is an intermediate to deep threat who creates mismatches. The talent difference is huge, and we’d have him on the cheap for five years.

Right now that is simply not true. Let me know when Pitts is actually in the NFL.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Right now that is simply not true. Let me know when Pitts is actually in the NFL.

Not only is it not true but Gallup is a proven 1000+ yard NFL receiver. That's a really difficult mark for a TE to reach unless your name is Travis Kelce.

For all these mismatches by design I don't care. If you're not producing like a WR catching the ball you're not more of a mismatch than the WR is.

 

[NoDak]

Right now that is simply not true. Let me know when Pitts is actually in the NFL.

Correct. Every year, players at the top of the draft bust. Not saying he will, but the chance is there. Drafting him if you had a need is a no brainer, sure. Or even if you didn't have much of a need at TE, (which we don't) but your team is fundamentally sound. And we have all been witness to our shitshow of a defense. Every year, people here gnash their teeth over how we neglect our defense year in and year out. But what's that? A shiny new toy? Ahhh.... Fuck the defense. It can wait.

I never want to see these guys shitting on Jerry over his obsession for offensive skill position players again.

 

[ravidubey]

I hear you all and get it. Gallup is good. But as a WR he’s redundant to Cooper and Lamb. A TE of just equal skill is automatically more complementary because he can covers parts of the field Gallup can’t. Defenses aren’t going to cover Gallup with a LB, for example.

Sure,Pitts could be a bust (like anyone, offense or defense), and if he is then we still can resign Gallup.

Put it this way, if a young Travis Kelce was there, you’d take him no questions asked. Mismatches are a big part of what offensive football is all about.

BTW, my preference is Rousseau.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Correct. Every year, players at the top of the draft bust. Not saying he will, but the chance is there. Drafting him if you had a need is a no brainer, sure. Or even if you didn't have much of a need at TE, (which we don't) but your team is fundamentally sound. And we have all been witness to our shitshow of a defense. Every year, people here gnash their teeth over how we neglect our defense year in and year out. But what's that? A shiny new toy? Ahhh.... Fuck the defense. It can wait.

I never want to see these guys shitting on Jerry over his obsession for offensive skill position players again.

Yeah if we were lacking in terms of pass catchers my opinion would be different. 2 years ago before the Cooper trade and the Lamb pick I would have been ecstatic to get a guy like Pitts. So I'm not going to shit on the player. I think Devonta Smith is an exceptional WR. But I just can't advocate taking a WR this high in the draft. Same rational for Pitts. Pass catchers are pass catchers in my book. I don't care if you call them a WR or TE. TEs are just better blockers.

 

[NoDak]

Yeah if we were lacking in terms of pass catchers my opinion would be different. 2 years ago before the Cooper trade and the Lamb pick I would have been ecstatic to get a guy like Pitts. So I'm not going to shit on the player. I think Devonta Smith is an exceptional WR. But I just can't advocate taking a WR this high in the draft. Same rational for Pitts. Pass catchers are pass catchers in my book. I don't care if you call them a WR or TE. TEs are just better blockers.

Agreed. Don't get me wrong. I love Pitts. Certainly not shitting on him. And for the same reasons you mentioned above, along with our defense being ALL TIME BAD, it would just not be prudent to take him. There are only so many footballs to go around on offense. Under other circumstances, I would love to draft him.

I hope he goes before us so we don't even have the chance to think about it. While pushing others down to us.

 

[roughneck266]

I would much prefer a difference maker on defense at that spot, but I am not gonna cry if there aren't any there and we take Pitts. Dude is definitely going to be someone in the NFL.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I hear you all and get it. Gallup is good. But as a WR he’s redundant to Cooper and Lamb. A TE of just equal skill is automatically more complementary because he can covers parts of the field Gallup can’t. Defenses aren’t going to cover Gallup with a LB, for example.

Sure,Pitts could be a bust (like anyone, offense or defense), and if he is then we still can resign Gallup.

Put it this way, if a young Travis Kelce was there, you’d take him no questions asked. Mismatches are a big part of what offensive football is all about.

BTW, my preference is Rousseau.

I don't believe any team in the league is deep enough to have 3 corners that can cover our top 3 WRs.

You want to see a mismatch?

Put any team's 3rd best corner on Gallup. Or Lamb. Or Cooper.

The money down the line is one thing, but we already have mismatches.

 

[ravidubey]

For all these mismatches by design I don't care. If you're not producing like a WR catching the ball you're not more of a mismatch than the WR is.

That’s not really true, though.

Yardage doesn’t win you anything next to moving the chains and scoring in the red zone, the latter an increasing weakness of ours. Catches are more important than yards over the course of a game. With Pitts you have a mismatch against nickel coverage every time, and you blow away base sets. With Gallup and Pitts... holy

In the top ten we can’t afford to trade talent for need. If Randy Moss was there, you’d take him without thinking about it, unless you want Greg Ellis again.