The Outrage Thread

[Smitty]

Seems like De Blasio is doing a bang up job there in NYC.

 

[Smitty]

Did you read it? It's about Scottie Pippin getting "only" a 5 year 18 million dollar deal over 20 years ago... Even though the owner actually told him he shouldn't sign it. He wanted the security, though. Apparently because he was black he had no choice.

What a joke these commentators are.

He had an agent and even an owner advising him yet it is society’s fault for a decision he made on that advise. Inequality traumatized him!

 

[jsmith6919]

Authorities release, arrest California man three times in one day under new state policy
by Anthony Leonardi
| May 02, 2020 11:35 AM


A new California policy allows the release of some criminals after arrests to limit the state's jail population amid the coronavirus.

Authorities arrested a man in California three times in 12 hours for stealing people's vehicles and other private property, but subsequently said they were forced to release him under the state's zero-bail policy enacted during the pandemic.

In April, the California Judicial Council created the new rule for misdemeanors and low-level felonies in an attempt to limit the jail population and the spread of COVID-19, according to local media.

This week, that rule prevented Glendora, California, police from detaining 24-year-old Dijon Landrum despite his multiple acts of theft.

On Wednesday morning, Landrum was first arrested and issued a citation for driving in a stolen vehicle while he was also in possession of other stolen property and illegal drugs. One hour after he was arrested, police arrested him again for walking around a neighborhood and stealing items from the front yards of peoples' homes.

Later that night, around 8:50 p.m., Landrum had stolen another vehicle, forcing police to chase him until his third eventual arrest. He was again given a citation and dismissed.

 

[boozeman]

In Georgia, a blatant ‘citizen’s arrest’ homicide of Ahmaud Arbery

By Sohrab Ahmari


May 6, 2020 | 2:49pm

The newly released footage resembles a scene from the 19th century, when sadly, it’s 2020: a pair of white men on a white pickup truck harassing a black jogger on a deserted Georgia road, a confrontation that proves fatal to Ahmaud Arbery.

Unless authorities have missed some unknown X-factor, and that seems highly unlikely, the killing of the 25-year-old Arbery harks back to some of America’s oldest and ugliest racial traditions.

In the footage, Arbery is seen trying to avoid the truck as he jogs, veering to the left, only to have one member of the white duo, Travis McMichael, stop him, shotgun in hand. A struggle ensues when Arbery veers right. Shots ring out, apparently fired from a handgun by McMichael’s father, Greg, standing in the bed of the pickup.

Arbery’s killers initially “told cops they thought he was a burglar,” The Post reported. But as a sleuthing blogger
HotAir.com pointed out, by his own account, captured in a police report, “McMichael hadn’t seen Arbery commit any crime and yet [was] attempting to cut him off in the middle of the road.”

The father-son pair also claimed they “pulled up beside” Arbery, when, in fact, the video shows the McMichaels waiting for him as if in an ambush.

Under Georgia law, “a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

And it’s true that a neighbor on the block had called in a report to 911 of an African American man inside a house that was under construction. But the McMichaels didn’t have “immediate knowledge” that that was Arbery. And even if Arbery had visited the construction site, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he was burglarizing it — nor that he was responsible for the other burglaries that had recently taken place in the neighborhood.

Nor could the McMichaels avail themselves of Georgia’s “stand your ground” law, since, judging by the footage, it was the two of them who assailed an unarmed Arbery for no good reason — not the other way around.

As the HotAir.com blogger ably summarized, “there’s no reason why the McMichaels should have confronted Arbery, even if he [were] guilty of everything they suspect him of. They’re not cops. They didn’t personally witness him commit any crime. The risk that they would misidentify an innocent man as a criminal was perfectly foreseeable.”

Sheer stupidity could have been a factor, sure, but after so many such cases on the same pattern going back, well, centuries, black Americans might be excused for blaming motives more invidious. Here’s hoping the grand jury system does justly by Ahmaud Arbery and his father.

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Yeah. These hillbillies weren't just being "concerned citizens".

This is pretty severe. Makes the Martin/Zimmerman case seem tame honestly.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

In Georgia, a blatant ‘citizen’s arrest’ homicide of Ahmaud Arbery

By Sohrab Ahmari


May 6, 2020 | 2:49pm

The newly released footage resembles a scene from the 19th century, when sadly, it’s 2020: a pair of white men on a white pickup truck harassing a black jogger on a deserted Georgia road, a confrontation that proves fatal to Ahmaud Arbery.

Unless authorities have missed some unknown X-factor, and that seems highly unlikely, the killing of the 25-year-old Arbery harks back to some of America’s oldest and ugliest racial traditions.

In the footage, Arbery is seen trying to avoid the truck as he jogs, veering to the left, only to have one member of the white duo, Travis McMichael, stop him, shotgun in hand. A struggle ensues when Arbery veers right. Shots ring out, apparently fired from a handgun by McMichael’s father, Greg, standing in the bed of the pickup.

Arbery’s killers initially “told cops they thought he was a burglar,” The Post reported. But as a sleuthing blogger
HotAir.com pointed out, by his own account, captured in a police report, “McMichael hadn’t seen Arbery commit any crime and yet [was] attempting to cut him off in the middle of the road.”

The father-son pair also claimed they “pulled up beside” Arbery, when, in fact, the video shows the McMichaels waiting for him as if in an ambush.

Under Georgia law, “a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

And it’s true that a neighbor on the block had called in a report to 911 of an African American man inside a house that was under construction. But the McMichaels didn’t have “immediate knowledge” that that was Arbery. And even if Arbery had visited the construction site, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he was burglarizing it — nor that he was responsible for the other burglaries that had recently taken place in the neighborhood.

Nor could the McMichaels avail themselves of Georgia’s “stand your ground” law, since, judging by the footage, it was the two of them who assailed an unarmed Arbery for no good reason — not the other way around.

As the HotAir.com blogger ably summarized, “there’s no reason why the McMichaels should have confronted Arbery, even if he [were] guilty of everything they suspect him of. They’re not cops. They didn’t personally witness him commit any crime. The risk that they would misidentify an innocent man as a criminal was perfectly foreseeable.”

Sheer stupidity could have been a factor, sure, but after so many such cases on the same pattern going back, well, centuries, black Americans might be excused for blaming motives more invidious. Here’s hoping the grand jury system does justly by Ahmaud Arbery and his father.

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Yeah. These hillbillies weren't just being "concerned citizens".

This is pretty severe. Makes the Martin/Zimmerman case seem tame honestly.

It's horrible, plain and simple. It's murder and that's all there is to it. Even if he was committing burglary that doesn't deserve a death sentance. Although if the two white hillbillys where wearing badges and not white the sentiment would be far different for people.

 

[boozeman]

It's horrible, plain and simple. It's murder and that's all there is to it. Even if he was committing burglary that doesn't deserve a death sentance. Although if the two white hillbillys where wearing badges and not white the sentiment would be far different for people.

I don't think either were active duty officers of law of any kind. One I think was at best retired for at least a year.

 

[yimyammer]

In Georgia, a blatant ‘citizen’s arrest’ homicide of Ahmaud Arbery

By Sohrab Ahmari


May 6, 2020 | 2:49pm

The newly released footage resembles a scene from the 19th century, when sadly, it’s 2020: a pair of white men on a white pickup truck harassing a black jogger on a deserted Georgia road, a confrontation that proves fatal to Ahmaud Arbery.

Unless authorities have missed some unknown X-factor, and that seems highly unlikely, the killing of the 25-year-old Arbery harks back to some of America’s oldest and ugliest racial traditions.

In the footage, Arbery is seen trying to avoid the truck as he jogs, veering to the left, only to have one member of the white duo, Travis McMichael, stop him, shotgun in hand. A struggle ensues when Arbery veers right. Shots ring out, apparently fired from a handgun by McMichael’s father, Greg, standing in the bed of the pickup.

Arbery’s killers initially “told cops they thought he was a burglar,” The Post reported. But as a sleuthing blogger
HotAir.com pointed out, by his own account, captured in a police report, “McMichael hadn’t seen Arbery commit any crime and yet [was] attempting to cut him off in the middle of the road.”

The father-son pair also claimed they “pulled up beside” Arbery, when, in fact, the video shows the McMichaels waiting for him as if in an ambush.

Under Georgia law, “a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

And it’s true that a neighbor on the block had called in a report to 911 of an African American man inside a house that was under construction. But the McMichaels didn’t have “immediate knowledge” that that was Arbery. And even if Arbery had visited the construction site, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he was burglarizing it — nor that he was responsible for the other burglaries that had recently taken place in the neighborhood.

Nor could the McMichaels avail themselves of Georgia’s “stand your ground” law, since, judging by the footage, it was the two of them who assailed an unarmed Arbery for no good reason — not the other way around.

As the HotAir.com blogger ably summarized, “there’s no reason why the McMichaels should have confronted Arbery, even if he [were] guilty of everything they suspect him of. They’re not cops. They didn’t personally witness him commit any crime. The risk that they would misidentify an innocent man as a criminal was perfectly foreseeable.”

Sheer stupidity could have been a factor, sure, but after so many such cases on the same pattern going back, well, centuries, black Americans might be excused for blaming motives more invidious. Here’s hoping the grand jury system does justly by Ahmaud Arbery and his father.

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Yeah. These hillbillies weren't just being "concerned citizens".

This is pretty severe. Makes the Martin/Zimmerman case seem tame honestly.

fucking horrible, these fuckers are going to jail

 

[yimyammer]

can you imagine how horrific it was to be black in this country when there was nothing to stop this horse shit?

Look at these fuckers take an "old time" selfie after a lynching right down the road in Waco in 1916







imagine the shit that went down we've never heard about

 

[boozeman]

fucking horrible, these fuckers are going to jail

Sad thing is, they probably aren't. These "concerned citizens" have been walking free since February.

 

[yimyammer]

Sad thing is, they probably aren't. These "concerned citizens" have been walking free since February.

somethings gotta happen to them on some level imo, this is ridiculous, you cant go around chasing & shooting people you think stole stuff that aren't even on your property being caught in the act.

Had they been watching TV while chilling on their couch inside their home and this guy breaks in, it would be a completely different story

 

[jsmith6919]

In Georgia, a blatant ‘citizen’s arrest’ homicide of Ahmaud Arbery

By Sohrab Ahmari


May 6, 2020 | 2:49pm

The newly released footage resembles a scene from the 19th century, when sadly, it’s 2020: a pair of white men on a white pickup truck harassing a black jogger on a deserted Georgia road, a confrontation that proves fatal to Ahmaud Arbery.

Unless authorities have missed some unknown X-factor, and that seems highly unlikely, the killing of the 25-year-old Arbery harks back to some of America’s oldest and ugliest racial traditions.

In the footage, Arbery is seen trying to avoid the truck as he jogs, veering to the left, only to have one member of the white duo, Travis McMichael, stop him, shotgun in hand. A struggle ensues when Arbery veers right. Shots ring out, apparently fired from a handgun by McMichael’s father, Greg, standing in the bed of the pickup.

Arbery’s killers initially “told cops they thought he was a burglar,” The Post reported. But as a sleuthing blogger
HotAir.com pointed out, by his own account, captured in a police report, “McMichael hadn’t seen Arbery commit any crime and yet [was] attempting to cut him off in the middle of the road.”

The father-son pair also claimed they “pulled up beside” Arbery, when, in fact, the video shows the McMichaels waiting for him as if in an ambush.

Under Georgia law, “a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

And it’s true that a neighbor on the block had called in a report to 911 of an African American man inside a house that was under construction. But the McMichaels didn’t have “immediate knowledge” that that was Arbery. And even if Arbery had visited the construction site, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he was burglarizing it — nor that he was responsible for the other burglaries that had recently taken place in the neighborhood.

Nor could the McMichaels avail themselves of Georgia’s “stand your ground” law, since, judging by the footage, it was the two of them who assailed an unarmed Arbery for no good reason — not the other way around.

As the HotAir.com blogger ably summarized, “there’s no reason why the McMichaels should have confronted Arbery, even if he [were] guilty of everything they suspect him of. They’re not cops. They didn’t personally witness him commit any crime. The risk that they would misidentify an innocent man as a criminal was perfectly foreseeable.”

Sheer stupidity could have been a factor, sure, but after so many such cases on the same pattern going back, well, centuries, black Americans might be excused for blaming motives more invidious. Here’s hoping the grand jury system does justly by Ahmaud Arbery and his father.

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Yeah. These hillbillies weren't just being "concerned citizens".

This is pretty severe. Makes the Martin/Zimmerman case seem tame honestly.

They should be definitely be facing murder charges

 

[Smitty]

The idea of the "citizen's arrest," seems to be at issue here. Normally, one has no duty to stop for anyone else. In fact, you don't even have a duty to stop for police unless they have the right level of cause.

So this idea that private citizens can legally detain someone if a crime was committed "in his presence or within his immediate knowledge," seems pretty faulty.

At the very least, these people did not have the right to legally detain Arbery because the crime was not committed in their presence for them to ID him, nor obviously within "immediate" enough knowledge, since they got it wrong. Seems like the GA legislature should maybe just take that part out though and amend it to "in his presence."

In the absence of the legal right to detain Arbery, they were probably illegally detaining him, meaning the death charge should stick as they were acting illegally themselves and caused the death of another. Intent may not apply at all here; "felony murder" makes you pretty liable, for example, if someone, anyone, even an accomplice, dies while you are in the commission of a felony crime, whether you meant for it to happen or whether you were the person who caused the death or not.

So sounds to me like these guys are toast.

 

[bbgun]

 

[Smitty]

To be fair, those killers got 65 and 90 year jail sentences.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

To be fair, those killers got 65 and 90 year jail sentences.

And so should these

 

[Sheik]

Will we ever get to hear/see Michael Flynn sit down with an oversight committee and learn all about what the FBI did to him?

I have what should be an obvious question about all of this shit.

If the FBI and the White House was openly doing this in coordination, why in the fuck would they take notes that could later be divulged.

The only logical explanation would be that they really thought they could manufacture an actual conspiracy and turn people to say shit that wasn’t true, leading to Trump’s removal from office. There’s no way they thought there was even a 0.00001% chance Trump would last his term and see this stuff exposed.

You don’t write shit down that can get us in trouble, note-taker. Everybody knows that.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That's also how little chance they thought there was of ever getting caught.

Imagine all the stuff that was said and done that they either didn't write down or destroyed later.

 

[kidd]

Please check out my take on the situation with Ahmaud Arbery.

The Need for Colorblind Justice

The Need for Colorblind Justice By Billy King I find it ironic that I mentioned the story of Travon Martin in my last blog only to s...

www.theramblingsofbilly.com

MODs, I posted this in another thread before I saw the conversation about it was here. Feel free to remove it from there.

 

[bbgun]

Black guy pops two elderly white people in a cemetery. This will get a fraction of the Arbery coverage.

Delaware State Police Identify Man Who Allegedly Killed Maryland Couple In Cemetery Shooting As Sheldon Francis

Delaware State Police have identified the man they say fatally shot an Elkton, Maryland couple at a veterans cemetery in Bear, Delaware, on Friday morning.

baltimore.cbslocal.com