Jamal Adams Requests Trade

[p1_]

Don't remind me. I wanted Reed over Roy in that draft.

Just another in a long line of poor choices

 

[jsmith6919]

Just another in a long line of poor choices

We could have had Thornhill last yr instead of Marinelli's rehab project

 

[ravidubey]

Don't remind me. I wanted Reed over Roy in that draft.

We also could have had Freeney

 

[p1_]

We could have had Thornhill last yr instead of Marinelli's rehab project

Yes, and Watt instead of meatless Taco

 

[Cotton]

We could have had Thornhill last yr instead of Marinelli's rehab project

 

[Smitty]

Michael Lombardi has an article on the Athletic which highlights why the Cowboys should NOT trade anything of substance for Adams.

It’s a Jets-centric article but the reasoning is clear.... Adams will struggle if asked to cover. He’s not a fit for us.

 

[Stasheroo]

Michael Lombardi has an article on the Athletic which highlights why the Cowboys should NOT trade anything of substance for Adams.

It’s a Jets-centric article but the reasoning is clear.... Adams will struggle if asked to cover. He’s not a fit for us.

I got something entirely different out of it. A former GM trying to give advice to a current one. Miffed at the fact that a player isn't staying in his lane and is trying to either get paid or force his way out.

Lombardi mistakenly tries to say that Adams struggles in coverage when the data doesn't support that at all.

 

[Smitty]

I got something entirely different out of it. A former GM trying to give advice to a current one. Miffed at the fact that a player isn't staying in his lane and is trying to either get paid or force his way out.

Lombardi mistakenly tries to say that Adams struggles in coverage when the data doesn't support that at all.

What data?

The part I’m talking about is that Adams needs a very specific role in coverage and if not given it, he will not thrive to the level he’s gonna command in terms of contract (and trade requirements).

I dunno that I’m interested in making him a top paid safety if he’s not at least Brian Dawkins in coverage.

 

[bbgun]

I saw him single-handedly defeat the Giants last year ... but I still don't want him at that price.

 

[Stasheroo]

What data?

The part I’m talking about is that Adams needs a very specific role in coverage and if not given it, he will not thrive to the level he’s gonna command in terms of contract (and trade requirements).

I dunno that I’m interested in making him a top paid safety if he’s not at least Brian Dawkins in coverage.

Items like this for instance from PFF:

Examining Jamal Adams' value and potential landing spots

Jamal Adams reportedly requested a trade from the New York Jets late last week. Here, PFF breaks down his value and looks at some landing spots for the two-time Pro Bowler.

www.pff.com

 

[Simpleton]

What data?

The part I’m talking about is that Adams needs a very specific role in coverage and if not given it, he will not thrive to the level he’s gonna command in terms of contract (and trade requirements).

I dunno that I’m interested in making him a top paid safety if he’s not at least Brian Dawkins in coverage.

He's excellent covering TE's in the slot and handling the flats, and he's definitely good enough in coverage to handle split safety/2-high looks. I think he's fine as a single-high safety but it's just not where you're going to maximize him. I don't think what he excels is at is so limited that you'd have to "hide" him in a sense as you seem to be implying.

I don't remember exactly what sort of role Dawkins played but given my recollection I'd guess it was somewhat similar to what I'm describing with Adams, where he basically handled the flats and short/intermediate zones with traditional split safety looks mixed in. I know for damn sure that he didn't just roam centerfield as a single-high 20 yards from the LOS all game like Ed Reed.

Dawkins and Polamalu are probably the best comparisons for Adams, all three of them can handle playing deep, particularly if it's in 2-high looks, but that's not where you're going to get the most value out of them. Like Dawkins and Polamalu, Adams is at his best blitzing and creating havoc near the LOS.

I think some Cowboys fans just have consternation over the way Adams plays because they've been fantasizing about an Ed Reed-type ever since Roy Williams went belly up in about 2006 and any reference to a "box safety" gives them PTSD to a 240 lb. Roy Williams getting roasted downfield because he stopped caring about football.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He's excellent covering TE's in the slot and handling the flats, and he's definitely good enough in coverage to handle split safety/2-high looks. I think he's fine as a single-high safety but it's just not where you're going to maximize him. I don't think what he excels is at is so limited that you'd have to "hide" him in a sense as you seem to be implying.

I don't remember exactly what sort of role Dawkins played but given my recollection I'd guess it was somewhat similar to what I'm describing with Adams, where he basically handled the flats and short/intermediate zones with traditional split safety looks mixed in. I know for damn sure that he didn't just roam centerfield as a single-high 20 yards from the LOS all game like Ed Reed.

Dawkins and Polamalu are probably the best comparisons for Adams, all three of them can handle playing deep, particularly if it's in 2-high looks, but that's not where you're going to get the most value out of them. Like Dawkins and Polamalu, Adams is at his best blitzing and creating havoc near the LOS.

I think some Cowboys fans just have consternation over the way Adams plays because they've been fantasizing about an Ed Reed-type ever since Roy Williams went belly up in about 2006 and any reference to a "box safety" gives them PTSD to a 240 lb. Roy Williams getting roasted downfield because he stopped caring about football.

Yeah I have no problem with Adams ability. I think he is a stud. But I have trouble with the compensation. It's hard to stomach losing a first round pick for me.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah I have no problem with Adams ability. I think he is a stud. But I have trouble with the compensation. It's hard to stomach losing a first round pick for me.

Yea I don't love it either but if it's basically just a 1st and spare pieces I think it's worth it given that you're getting a guaranteed All-Pro.

The real issue is that you're giving up 5 years of a cost-controlled rookie, although obviously the caliber of player you get in the 1st is a toss-up. Given how we have basically nothing invested financially in our secondary that's a risk I'm willing to take.

 

[Stasheroo]

Yeah I have no problem with Adams ability. I think he is a stud. But I have trouble with the compensation. It's hard to stomach losing a first round pick for me.

It's undeniably high all things considered, but you're also getting a sure thing young talent at a needed position under contract for what I would estimate to be 6 years (with a 4-year extension thrown in). I look at it this way, if you didn't give up that 1st rounder for Adams, you may end up using it for a safety anyway, and one that would be unproven in the NFL.

 

[data]

The real issue is that you're giving up 5 years of a cost-controlled rookie, although obviously the caliber of player you get in the 1st is a toss-up. Given how we have basically nothing invested financially in our secondary that's a risk I'm willing to take.

The team has shown that they'll take valuable salary cap space and waste it on Tyrone Crawford.

We don't sign Jamal Adams because of cap hit, fine, but it should be spent on some asset. Instead, we keep Tyrone Crawford.

 

[Cotton]

I don't want to sign a single other contract until we have Dak's wrapped up.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It's undeniably high all things considered, but you're also getting a sure thing young talent at a needed position under contract for what I would estimate to be 6 years (with a 4-year extension thrown in). I look at it this way, if you didn't give up that 1st rounder for Adams, you may end up using it for a safety anyway, and one that would be unproven in the NFL.

Yeah it just seems like when we don't have a first round pick our entire draft goes to shit. See the Trysten Hill draft. Our last draft if you take out our first round pick it would still be potentially a great draft class. But for some reason if we didn't have that pick I feel like we would have fucked it up.

 

[ravidubey]

Dawkins and Polamalu are probably the best comparisons for Adams

Not bad company there. Troy is the closer comparison, IMO. The Steelers defense revolved around his ability to make plays almost as much as the Eagles relied on Dawkins.

 

[Stasheroo]

Yeah it just seems like when we don't have a first round pick our entire draft goes to shit. See the Trysten Hill draft. Our last draft if you take out our first round pick it would still be potentially a great draft class. But for some reason if we didn't have that pick I feel like we would have fucked it up.

I think that had more to do with the over-involvement of the last bunch of assholes that were rightfully fired.

Especially the guy that the game has clearly passed by. Those dumbasses still revered him like he was a god.

I don't think it's coincidental that once they were taken out of the equation, this team has an all-time great draft.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think that had more to do with the over-involvement of the last bunch of assholes that were rightfully fired.

Especially the guy that the game has clearly passed by. Those dumbasses still revered him like he was a god.

I don't think it's coincidental that once they were taken out of the equation, this team has an all-time great draft.

And that could be but it's not just last year.