Jamal Adams Requests Trade

[NoDak]

Refutes the bullshit comment about "not a game changer" anyway.

Seriously?

Because he made a play to win ONE game? Jeff Heath did that.

 

[Simpleton]

This was Byron Jones in a nutshell. And most couldn't wait to see him hit the road.

Byron Jones coverage plus 4 sacks/2 FF's/10 TFL's a year is an annual DPoY contender.

 

[NoDak]

Byron Jones coverage plus 4 sacks/2 FF's/10 TFL's a year is an annual DPoY contender.

I disagree. And he's only had one season of 4 sacks. Last season's outlier bumped up the average.

And that stat line isn't something I'd like to give a record setting contract to after giving up a first rounder plus.

 

[Stasheroo]

Seriously?

Because he made a play to win ONE game? Jeff Heath did that.

Yeah, totally seriously. Because you come off with some total bullshit comment that "he's not a game changer", You somehow think THAT has any validity?

Sorry, no.

I gave Yiu just the most recent example of where his play directly changed the outcome of the game. I couldn't give two shits whether you like that or not.

 

[Smitty]

And there's more to coverage skills than INT's as well.

Of course - but I'm not the first one to suggest that Adams does not excel in that area. He's fine.

Not great.

And unlike Byron Jones, Adams is making sacks and forcing fumbles and making negative yardage plays.

Yeah, I already mentioned that.

 

[Stasheroo]

I disagree. And he's only had one season of 4 sacks. Last season's outlier bumped up the average.

And that stat line isn't something I'd like to give a record setting contract to after giving up a first rounder plus.

I don't blame you or anyone else for not wanting to give up that huge cost. But you don't need to push a false narrative to justify it.

The costs would be huge and I don't blame anyone who felt it was to high.

 

[Smitty]

Byron Jones plus elite run support and blitzing is a perennial All Pro player.

Well Adams is making Pro Bowls and earning accolades right now, so obviously yes.

But I'm still saying I don't think I want to give up a haul for it AND make him a top paid player on our defense, which is what it'd require.

I don't think his style of play contributes to winning in today's league as much as his salary will warrant, because he's not making plays in the secondary.

 

[Stasheroo]

Of course - but I'm not the first one to suggest that Adams does not excel in that area. He's fine.

Not great.

I can cite plenty of research that says he's great. Who's saying he isn't?

Yeah, I already mentioned that.

Well then we're in agreement. And it's those game changing plays that you would be paying such a steep price for.

 

[NoDak]

Yeah, totally seriously. Because you come off with some total bullshit comment that "he's not a game changer", You somehow think THAT has any validity?

Sorry, no.

I gave Yiu just the most recent example of where his play directly changed the outcome of the game. I couldn't give two shits whether you like that or not.

He changed ONE game. Big fucking deal. Players do that all the time. Like I said, Jeff Heath done the same damn thing. And we all know that doesn't make him special in any way.

So yeah. He's a very good safety. But he's not a game changer. I am certainly not the only one saying that here.

If you want to cling to one shitty giants game that he was the difference in, by all means. Have at it.

 

[NoDak]

I don't blame you or anyone else for not wanting to give up that huge cost. But you don't need to push a false narrative to justify it.

The costs would be huge and I don't blame anyone who felt it was to high.

Just because you think it's a false narrative doesn't make it so. There are far more people here that would agree with what I'm saying than with you thinking Jamal Adams is some game changing force at the safety position.

 

[Stasheroo]

He changed ONE game. Big fucking deal. Players do that all the time. Like I said, Jeff Heath done the same damn thing. And we all know that doesn't make him special in any way.

So yeah. He's a very good safety. But he's not a game changer. I am certainly not the only one saying that here.

If you want to cling to one shitty giants game that he was the difference in, by all means. Have at it.

Feel free to check out last season's game against the Cowboys as well. There is no 'we' here, there's YOU. You and the false narrative you're failing to get away with.

You're wrong and its clear that you don't like it.

 

[Stasheroo]

Just because you think it's a false narrative doesn't make it so. There are far more people here that would agree with what I'm saying than with you thinking Jamal Adams is some game changing force at the safety position.

Line em up.

 

[Simpleton]

He changed ONE game. Big fucking deal. Players do that all the time. Like I said, Jeff Heath done the same damn thing. And we all know that doesn't make him special in any way.

So yeah. He's a very good safety. But he's not a game changer. I am certainly not the only one saying that here.

If you want to cling to one shitty giants game that he was the difference in, by all means. Have at it.

He blew up the 2 point conversion on a blitz up the middle that decided our game with less than a minute left that would've tied it. He was also quite dominant against the Steelers I believe late in the year.

I'm sure there were other huge plays that he made/games that he dominated in, it's not like I watched every Jets game, but I saw enough out of him combined with the anecdotal evidence to know that he's going to be one of the very best safeties in the league over the next 8 or so years.

 

[bbgun]

I think this board is over him. The Jets told everyone it basically wasnt happening and it hasnt with any team unless they choose. So, lets all move on

Like Ty Law, he'll be talked about forever but never set foot in Dallas. Also, not having a first round pick sucks. It's impossible to look forward to the draft.

 

[Smitty]

I can cite plenty of research that says he's great. Who's saying he isn't?

The Lombardi article for one.

Lookit, I read the PFF article you posted. I'm just not convinced.

A truly elite coverage guy would generate more plays back there. I'm sure Byron Jones also rates highly by their metrics.

 

[Stasheroo]

The Lombardi article for one.

So you place more value on what an ex-GM clearly miffed at a player holdout is saying? OK, your choice. I read Lombardi's article too. It was clear that he was manipulating the numbers and trying to subjectively diminish the player. His agent was crystal clear.

Lookit, I read the PFF article you posted. I'm just not convinced.

A truly elite coverage guy would generate more plays back there. I'm sure Byron Jones also rates highly by their metrics.

No problem with that differing opinion. Clearly you place a higher priority on interceptions and plays in the passing game and I don't disagree that I would like to see more there too.

But I'm not disregarding the other impact plays he does make either.

 

[Simpleton]

Who would be willing to give up a 1 and change for Chris Jones? Along with presumably a contract averaging 21/year?

We're split on Adams but I'm curious what people would think about a similar deal for Jones.

We'd have to bite a larger bullet with the contract since I'd imagine his extension would be worth about 5 more per year, but I'd rather have one of the best interior pass rushers in the league than one of the best safeties.

Jones is a year older but just as proven in my mind and I think another legitimately elite playmaker on the DL would have more impact than a safety like Adams.

 

[Stasheroo]

Who would be willing to give up a 1 and change for Chris Jones? Along with presumably a contract averaging 21/year?

We're split on Adams but I'm curious what people would think about a similar deal for Jones.

We'd have to bite a larger bullet with the contract since I'd imagine his extension would be worth about 5 more per year, but I'd rather have one of the best interior pass rushers in the league than one of the best safeties.

Jones is a year older but just as proven in my mind and I think another legitimately elite playmaker on the DL would have more impact than a safety like Adams.

I consider the idea a non-starter.

• Firstly, because I don't envision the Chiefs letting him go.
• Secondly, the Cowboys have filled their needs for starting defensive tackles.

This is in no way downgrading the impactful, quality player that Chris Jones obviously is, just that the Cowboys have already made their decisions at defensive tackle.

And as expensive as Adams will be, Jones would be that much more so. I think it's so far-fetched as to not be worth much conversation about it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Who would be willing to give up a 1 and change for Chris Jones? Along with presumably a contract averaging 21/year?

We're split on Adams but I'm curious what people would think about a similar deal for Jones.

We'd have to bite a larger bullet with the contract since I'd imagine his extension would be worth about 5 more per year, but I'd rather have one of the best interior pass rushers in the league than one of the best safeties.

Jones is a year older but just as proven in my mind and I think another legitimately elite playmaker on the DL would have more impact than a safety like Adams.

Yes if it was possible. The guy is a rare 10 sack DT type.

 

[ravidubey]

He doesn't have the interceptions or coverage skills to match the elite, though. Dawkins averaged like 3-4 interceptions a year, Polamalu had 7 interceptions twice.

Obviously it's early for Adams but he doesn't seem to be that type of difference maker in the passing game. He doesn't have to be Ed Reed but he has to be more than he is for me to want to make him the highest paid safety or give him a massive deal.

How is 6.5 sacks and 7 passes defended not impacting the passing game? 3.5 and 12 the prior season. Those are CB PD numbers. Then add 6 career forced fumbles.

And that's just stats. Just watching him you can see the energy and elite skill.

He's worth more than a 1st... the multi-million dollar question is how much more exactly.