Dak Watch Thread...

[p1_]

A deal worth $33 million per year at signing would be ricer than the Russell Wilson contract

Spell check much, Florio?

 

[Genghis Khan]

Spell check much, Florio?

It's not true according to spotrac so he didn't fact check either.

Russell Wilson:

Contract:	4 yr(s) / $140,000,000
Signing Bonus	$65,000,000
Average Salary	$35,000,000
Total Guarantees	$107,000,000
Guaranteed at Signing	$70,000,000

 

[deadrise]

Yea, but that's for ONE year, not 35 mill for 4 or 5.

If he doesn't improve or imagine he actually takes a step back and you owe him 90 million more? That is going to damn near cripple their chances of getting to the SB in the near future.

Hate to keep doing this, but they haven't been close to a SB in 25 years. So their chances of getting to a SB have essentially been 'crippled' for that long. They kept Garrett on as HC for 10 of those years, which crippled their chances as well. Dumb and dumber running the organization cripples their chances by default.

What difference would it make it they guessed wrong on Dak's contract? Why would the near future be any different than the last quarter century?

 

[Texas Ace]

Hate to keep doing this, but they haven't been close to a SB in 25 years. So their chances of getting to a SB have essentially been 'crippled' for that long. They kept Garrett on as HC for 10 of those years, which crippled their chances as well. Dumb and dumber running the organization cripples their chances by default.

What difference would it make it they guessed wrong on Dak's contract? Why would the near future be any different than the last quarter century?

Because for the first time since 2006, they have a real coaching staff.

So just as they had a legit window to win something then, I believe they have a legit window to win something now.

And we know that the Jones' never hire legit coaches in succession, so whenever McCarthy leaves, they'll find the next puppet to take over. So right now, we need the Cowboys to do all they can to take advantage of this window.

 

[deadrise]

Because for the first time since 2006, they have a real coaching staff.

So just as they had a legit window to win something then, I believe they have a legit window to win something now.

And we know that the Jones' never hire legit coaches in succession, so whenever McCarthy leaves, they'll find the next puppet to take over. So right now, we need the Cowboys to do all they can to take advantage of this window.

That's true. But if Dak is not a franchise QB, or even a legit QB, what difference does a legit coaching staff make? Finding replacement QBs is a hit or miss thing, more miss than hit.

 

[Simpleton]

Because for the first time since 2006, they have a real coaching staff.

So just as they had a legit window to win something then, I believe they have a legit window to win something now.

And we know that the Jones' never hire legit coaches in succession, so whenever McCarthy leaves, they'll find the next puppet to take over. So right now, we need the Cowboys to do all they can to take advantage of this window.

Jerry might be dead the next time we are hiring a HC, so let's hope that changes something. I honestly believe that Garrett would've been fired after 2017 if not for Jerry, maybe even after 2018 too.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

That's true. But if Dak is not a franchise QB, or even a legit QB, what difference does a legit coaching staff make? Finding replacement QBs is a hit or miss thing, more miss than hit.

Any idiot can see Dak is a legit QB. It's just a question of how good he can be. Certainly a legit coaching staff could win a Superbowl with him. But there are never guarantees.

 

[Texas Ace]

Jerry might be dead the next time we are hiring a HC, so let's hope that changes something. I honestly believe that Garrett would've been fired after 2017 if not for Jerry, maybe even after 2018 too.

You're giving Stephen too much credit.

 

[Simpleton]

You're giving Stephen too much credit.

Maybe, I think Garrett used his personal relationship with Jerry to blow smoke up his ass and save himself after each season, which is why you saw such dramatic changes made to the offensive coaching staff after both seasons.

After 2017 they basically turned over the entire offensive staff besides Linehan and I think the RB coach, and then after 2018 they got rid of Linehan and haphazardly promoted Moore.

I think that pattern is indicative of Garrett throwing his subordinates under the bus to save himself, which I don't think would've worked as well with Stephen as it did with Jerry.

Could be wrong but I think it's possible, if not probable.

 

[Cotton]

Any idiot can see Dak is a legit QB. It's just a question of how good he can be. Certainly a legit coaching staff could win a Superbowl with him. But there are never guarantees.

I don't think we have seen Dak's ceiling yet, to be honest. I think McCarthy could very well do wonders for Dak.

 

[Donpingon]

The misuse of Dak's ability to run is a travesty. He can throw the ball, the biggest issue has been how consistently

 

[p1_]

The misuse of Dak's ability to run is a travesty. He can throw the ball, the biggest issue has been how consistently

I hope this is a thing of the past with McCarthy. Daks ability as a runner can be exploited much more fully.

 

[ravidubey]

Any idiot can see Dak is a legit QB. It's just a question of how good he can be. Certainly a legit coaching staff could win a Superbowl with him. But there are never guarantees.

Of course he’s legit.

He’s not a franchise QB.

Maybe that’s OK at the moment. Looking around the league, there aren’t many of those left.

Wilson, Brady, and Mahomes for sure. We’re talking two of the last three Super Bowl champs with all three carrying their teams this year. Sad to see Tom stripped down to no supporting cast or OL. Just sad.

Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Drew Brees could still be if they catch good health and the right opponents during the playoffs.

Jackson is really, really close to breaking through. Already a league MVP, carries his team... but choked in the playoffs losing to a team he had no business losing to.

Deshaun Watson is in the neighborhood though also hasn’t yet arrived. Get this man some more weapons and most importantly some actual coaching. He’s got his own Garrett situation. Stafford is in exactly the same boat, except he has even fewer weapons than Watson. He was surging before his injury.

Don’t trust Ryan Tannehill. At all, no matter what stats say. Matt Ryan is on his way down.

Dak has a loaded offense. It’s a disgusting wealth of options one TE away from being historically talented.

He had an average defense and no coaching. Supposedly the coaching has improved (it has to).

This is from PFF: “Prescott ranked among the middle class of quarterbacks in PFF grading in 2017 and 2018, and his 2019 campaign showed that the right supporting cast could lead to high-end production from mid-tier signal-callers.” I think that nailed it.

So the question is does he stay mid-tier or climb some rungs. From what I’ve seen, there’s fewer rungs to climb.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Of course he’s legit.

He’s not a franchise QB.

Maybe that’s OK at the moment. Looking around the league, there aren’t many of those left.

Wilson, Brady, and Mahomes for sure. We’re talking two of the last three Super Bowl champs with all three carrying their teams this year. Sad to see Tom stripped down to no supporting cast or OL. Just sad.

Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Drew Brees could still be if they catch good health and the right opponents during the playoffs.

Jackson is really, really close to breaking through. Already a league MVP, carries his team... but choked in the playoffs losing to a team he had no business losing to.

Deshaun Watson is in the neighborhood though also hasn’t yet arrived. Get this man some more weapons and most importantly some actual coaching. He’s got his own Garrett situation. Stafford is in exactly the same boat, except he has even fewer weapons than Watson. He was surging before his injury.

Don’t trust Ryan Tannehill. At all, no matter what stats say. Matt Ryan is on his way down.

Dak has a loaded offense. It’s a disgusting wealth of options one TE away from being historically talented.

He had an average defense and no coaching. Supposedly the coaching has improved (it has to).

This is from PFF: “Prescott ranked among the middle class of quarterbacks in PFF grading in 2017 and 2018, and his 2019 campaign showed that the right supporting cast could lead to high-end production from mid-tier signal-callers.” I think that nailed it.

So the question is does he stay mid-tier or climb some rungs. From what I’ve seen, there’s fewer rungs to climb.

I agree for the most part. Dak has a little way to go to be a member of elite Quarterbacks in the NFL. His read needs to improve especially on the timing of his release. He still throws a little late on the tight coverages. He hasn’t gotten the anticipated spot to throw to down yet. It’s his weakest point in the passing game. He tends to wait for the receiver to get open then makes the throw. This part of the passing game is what separates the good from the elite.

 

[Texas Ace]

I agree for the most part. Dak has a little way to go to be a member of elite Quarterbacks in the NFL. His read needs to improve especially on the timing of his release. He still throws a little late on the tight coverages. He hasn’t gotten the anticipated spot to throw to down yet. It’s his weakest point in the passing game. He tends to wait for the receiver to get open then makes the throw. This part of the passing game is what separates the good from the elite.

I've said this many times before, but his worst throw by far is to the inside.

Slants, drags, ins and even deep posts are almost always behind. Some of them bounce off hands or get picked or batted down and not because it's a poor decision, but because he just can't get the timing down or his accuracy issues plague him.

His accuracy going down the field was MUCH better this past year. He left so many deep balls opportunities on the field in 2018 so it was nice to see him hit most of them in 2019. But he is still missing way too much on the inside stuff.

I don't think he can be an elite QB if he cannot hit those more consistently. I've always believed that accuracy is something you either have or don't, but 2019 showed me that SOME accuracy can be improved with better coaching and mechanics.

My hope is that McCarthy comes in and does some things that increases his timing and accuracy on the inside routes.

 

[Texas Ace]

Of course he’s legit.

He’s not a franchise QB.

Maybe that’s OK at the moment. Looking around the league, there aren’t many of those left.

Wilson, Brady, and Mahomes for sure. We’re talking two of the last three Super Bowl champs with all three carrying their teams this year. Sad to see Tom stripped down to no supporting cast or OL. Just sad.

Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Drew Brees could still be if they catch good health and the right opponents during the playoffs.

Jackson is really, really close to breaking through. Already a league MVP, carries his team... but choked in the playoffs losing to a team he had no business losing to.

Deshaun Watson is in the neighborhood though also hasn’t yet arrived. Get this man some more weapons and most importantly some actual coaching. He’s got his own Garrett situation. Stafford is in exactly the same boat, except he has even fewer weapons than Watson. He was surging before his injury.

Don’t trust Ryan Tannehill. At all, no matter what stats say. Matt Ryan is on his way down.

Dak has a loaded offense. It’s a disgusting wealth of options one TE away from being historically talented.

He had an average defense and no coaching. Supposedly the coaching has improved (it has to).

This is from PFF: “Prescott ranked among the middle class of quarterbacks in PFF grading in 2017 and 2018, and his 2019 campaign showed that the right supporting cast could lead to high-end production from mid-tier signal-callers.” I think that nailed it.

So the question is does he stay mid-tier or climb some rungs. From what I’ve seen, there’s fewer rungs to climb.

Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes all go without saying.

Even with a decline from 2 of those guys, they've still done enough to earn being considered elite. Those guys are the true elite QBs of the NFL.

After that, there aren't many I'd take over Dak. He has his limitations and I'm not sure he'll ever be elite, but I do think he's good enough to win with, but good enough to win with is not worth 100 mill guaranteed, IMO.

Having said that, the only other guys I'd take over him if I could pick would be Russell Wilson, Watson, Stafford (assuming he's healthy).

That's it.

I don't have any confidence that those other guys could be better. Some of that is a credit to Dak and some of that speaks to how the league is lacking in truly special QB play.

 

[Simpleton]

I'd definitely take Wilson over Dak but I also think Dak could get close to Wilson's level over the next 2-3 years, at least as far as individual play.

Guys like Watson, Jackson, Stafford, Ryan, etc. are tossups for me, and in most cases I'd lean Dak.

 

[Texas Ace]

I'd definitely take Wilson over Dak but I also think Dak could get close to Wilson's level over the next 2-3 years, at least as far as individual play.

Guys like Watson, Jackson, Stafford, Ryan, etc. are tossups for me, and in most cases I'd lean Dak.

I don't see it.

Russell Wilson is a much better pure passer of the football. I don't think Dak will ever be that good of a passer.

Watson is also a better passer, IMO. As Ravi pointed out, he's managed to improve a lot despite having the same coaching hindrances that Dak has had to suffer through.

They're both fairly even, but I think Watson is a better natural passer and he has that Romo-esque escapability to him.

I'd take Watson over Dak if given the choice.

In regards to Jackson, I'd take Dak over him every day of the week. Jackson throws a tight spiral but I don't consider him much of a passer and those passing concepts over there aren't all that advanced. He's getting by on athleticism just like Vick did.

I expect the league to catch up to him in the next year or two, and then his limitations as a passer will become a real problem.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'd definitely take Wilson over Dak but I also think Dak could get close to Wilson's level over the next 2-3 years, at least as far as individual play.

Guys like Watson, Jackson, Stafford, Ryan, etc. are tossups for me, and in most cases I'd lean Dak.

I take Dak over the guys you listed. I agree on Wilson. Shoot in the NFC is may be Wilson and Rogers at the end of his career and then Dak is right there. I forgot about Drew Brees but he is another one who probably has a year or two left at best. IF you put a team and coaching staff around Dak we should be one of the best in the NFC for awhile.

 

[Simpleton]

Brees/Brady are pretty much irrelevant to the conversation since they'll both be done in literally a year, maybe two if they're touched by an angel. Rodgers has a few years left in him but Mahomes/Wilson are the only true youngish franchise type QB's right now.

Watson is the guy I'd think hardest about in comparison to Dak but I feel like I could argue that one either way. Then you have a pretty large group of guys at various stages of their career (Jackson, Wentz, Goff, Stafford, Ryan, maybe even Cousins) who I feel like you could argue one way or the other compared to Dak but ultimately I'd take Dak over all of them right now.