The Great Police Work Thread

[Cowboysrock55]

I got no clue as to why that happened. Personally I can't see anything in that clip that justifies the shooting. Bad stuff.

It's just a flat out murder. To me that's not even bad police work. It's beyond that.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Just going to put this right here, do with it what you want.




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Not sure what this has to do with a police chat. But now I'm curious what exactly an ATP Grant is. I'm doubting the government is giving those corporations free money.

 

[1bigfan13]

It's just a flat out murder. To me that's not even bad police work. It's beyond that.

Yeah it is.

I laugh at the Bexar Sheriff's Office having the audacity to get butt-hurt that the news station, KSAT, shared the video on their website.

They tried to play the "the media has low morals and will do anything for ratings" card by blasting out this tweet.

F' them. If it weren't for that cellphone video those dirt bags would've falsified the report claiming that the dude charged at them or some shit.

Now they're trying to claim there's a 2nd video out showing that he had a knife in his other hand. If so, WGAS. The guy clearly had his hands up surrendering and was of no threat. He didn't make a sudden move towards the cops or anything.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah it is.

I laugh at the Bexar Sheriff's Office having the audacity to get butt-hurt that the news station, KSAT, shared the video on their website.

They tried to play the "the media has low morals and will do anything for ratings" card by blasting out this tweet.

F' them. If it weren't for that cellphone video those dirt bags would've falsified the report claiming that the dude charged at them or some shit.

Now they're trying to claim there's a 2nd video out showing that he had a knife in his other hand. If so, WGAS. The guy clearly had his hands up surrendering and was of no threat. He didn't make a sudden move towards the cops or anything.

What I think is the news station did the right thing by posting an actual accurate account of what happened. What would have been irresponsible is to not show the video and pretend like they don't know what happened to cause the shooting. Whoever runs that twitter should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.

Also that twitter message is a perfect example of why people think cops stick up for each other no matter what. Clearly a murder and yet they are trying to dump on the media for reporting it accurately and jumping to the defense of the officers.

 

[Smitty]

It will be interesting to find out why they shoot after he puts his hands up.

Even if the answer is "Well, they murdered him."

Why? Some machismo "lets kill the domestic abuser" schtick?

Also.... how friggin' dumb do you have to be to do shit like that in today's world, if you are a cop? Cameras are fucking everywhere.

 

[Cotton]

It will be interesting to find out why they shoot after he puts his hands up.

Even if the answer is "Well, they murdered him."

Why? Some machismo "lets kill the domestic abuser" schtick?

Also.... how friggin' dumb do you have to be to do shit like that in today's world, if you are a cop? Cameras are fucking everywhere.

There is no excuse for that happening. It was obvious he had at least one hand in the air. The pole gets in the way of the other hand, but I can't imagine in gym shorts he was pulling out a gun with the other. So, it sure seems like murder in the 1st. I can't imagine how else it could be viewed.

 

[L.T. Fan]

There is no excuse for that happening. It was obvious he had at least one hand in the air. The pole gets in the way of the other hand, but I can't imagine in gym shorts he was pulling out a gun with the other. So, it sure seems like murder in the 1st. I can't imagine how else it could be viewed.

Yeah it's pretty damming. I heard some radio talk guys today saying that the department has another video and they haven't released it yet.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

There is no excuse for that happening. It was obvious he had at least one hand in the air. The pole gets in the way of the other hand, but I can't imagine in gym shorts he was pulling out a gun with the other. So, it sure seems like murder in the 1st. I can't imagine how else it could be viewed.

I am interested to see what happens with this case though. I wouldn't be surprised if the prosecuting attorney gives these guys (Or just one guy, not sure if both discharged their weapons) a slap on the wrist compared to similar cases that don't involve an officer.

 

[townsend]

Speaking of "victim" mentality. How the fuck can an agency rationalize "These death threats in response to our officer killing someone are all the KSAT's fault!"

Can you imagine any other type of organization backing murderers like this? It's like Catholic Church going after altar boys for tattling on their molesters.

 

[Smitty]

I am interested to see what happens with this case though. I wouldn't be surprised if the prosecuting attorney gives these guys (Or just one guy, not sure if both discharged their weapons) a slap on the wrist compared to similar cases that don't involve an officer.

The victim was white-ish, so they'll be able to get away with it without an uproar.

 

[Smitty]

Speaking of "victim" mentality. How the fuck can an agency rationalize "These death threats in response to our officer killing someone are all the KSAT's fault!"

Can you imagine any other type of organization backing murderers like this? It's like Catholic Church going after altar boys for tattling on their molesters.

Too many cops think of the rules as secondary to punishing lawbreakers.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Too many cops think of the rules as secondary to punishing lawbreakers.

Too often officers get the mentality that they can do what they want and are above the law themselves (Not sure if the nature of the job creates this or if the job just tends to attract those type of people). You even see it in some videos with just the way they talk. I really think it is a power trip for some. Not saying it is the majority of officers but I think most departments have at least one guy like that. I also know some wonderful officers just to be exact.

 

[BipolarFuk]

Too often officers get the mentality that they can do what they want and are above the law themselves (Not sure if the nature of the job creates this or if the job just tends to attract those type of people). You even see it in some videos with just the way they talk. I really think it is a power trip for some. Not saying it is the majority of officers but I think most departments have at least one guy like that. I also know some wonderful officers just to be exact.

The job draws psychopaths.

http://time.com/32647/which-professions-have-the-most-psychopaths-the-fewest/

Then there is the gang mentality. They all cover for one other or are quickly ostracized.

Really, aren't they just the biggest, best funded, and equipped gang?

Not much different than the average 1%er MC.

And if you read about cop MCs, they strive to be like 1%er clubs. I read one went as far to ask the dominant outlaw gang of an area if was OK to wear the bottom rocker on their cut.

 

[townsend]

The job draws psychopaths.

http://time.com/32647/which-professions-have-the-most-psychopaths-the-fewest/

Then there is the gang mentality. They all cover for one other or are quickly ostracized.

Really, aren't they just the biggest, best funded, and equipped gang?

Not much different than the average 1%er MC.

And if you read about cop MCs, they strive to be like 1%er clubs. I read one went as far to ask the dominant outlaw gang of an area if was OK to wear the bottom rocker on their cut.

Don't quite understand the distinction between Doctor and Surgeon. Are the Doctor #s excluding surgeons, or are they still ranked #9 even with Surgeons weighing them down?

 

[Clay_Allison]

Don't quite understand the distinction between Doctor and Surgeon. Are the Doctor #s excluding surgeons, or are they still ranked #9 even with Surgeons weighing them down?

I'm guessing doctor of internal medicine.

 

[fortsbest]

The job draws psychopaths.

http://time.com/32647/which-professions-have-the-most-psychopaths-the-fewest/

Then there is the gang mentality. They all cover for one other or are quickly ostracized.

Really, aren't they just the biggest, best funded, and equipped gang?

Not much different than the average 1%er MC.

And if you read about cop MCs, they strive to be like 1%er clubs. I read one went as far to ask the dominant outlaw gang of an area if was OK to wear the bottom rocker on their cut.

See, it's moronic BS like this that really pisses me off but then I see it's you posting it and my anger subsides. I happen to command the Traffic division at the moment which includes the motor unit. While most of you only get to see them if you've been stopped for some violation, you don't get to see all the hard work and effort they put into traffic management, working accidents when you or your family members have them, funeral escorts (not at all like the private companies that do them, dignitary escorts (the most dangerous thing we do) special event management etc. There's not a single motor officer that I know of in the North Texas area that has any respect or wants to be part of a criminal organization like a motorcycle gang. So tell me where you read about them striving to be like biker gangs dude because it's probably the same place you're getting all you full of BS memes!

 

[Clay_Allison]

See, it's moronic BS like this that really pisses me off but then I see it's you posting it and my anger subsides. I happen to command the Traffic division at the moment which includes the motor unit. While most of you only get to see them if you've been stopped for some violation, you don't get to see all the hard work and effort they put into traffic management, working accidents when you or your family members have them, funeral escorts (not at all like the private companies that do them, dignitary escorts (the most dangerous thing we do) special event management etc. There's not a single motor officer that I know of in the North Texas area that has any respect or wants to be part of a criminal organization like a motorcycle gang. So tell me where you read about them striving to be like biker gangs dude because it's probably the same place you're getting all you full of BS memes!

My Great Grandfather was the oldest former SAPD officer extant at the time he died (he was 94) and the SAPD sent a full police escort to his funeral. That was pretty cool.

 

[townsend]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/us/eye-contact-traffic-stop-ohio-police-officer/
CNN)When a police officer in Dayton, Ohio, handed John Felton a warning for a traffic signal violation, Felton asked whether he was stopped for something besides having out-of-state plates, according to a video of the conversation posted on Facebook.


"Because you made direct eye contact with me and held onto it when I was passing you," the officer replied in the video.

Felton posted the video on Facebook. It's another example of how the national conversation about police-community interaction, especially with minorities, is being scrutinized. Technology makes the interactions easy to record and to share via social media.

 

[fortsbest]

My Great Grandfather was the oldest former SAPD officer extant at the time he died (he was 94) and the SAPD sent a full police escort to his funeral. That was pretty cool.

We just sent groups of 4 each to Harris County and to Abilene for those officer funerals. The guys that went to Abilene said that it was amazing the show of support they saw from nearly that entire county along the funeral route. Sad that it takes those sorts of events to see it.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Officer Who Arrested James Blake Has History of Force Complaints
By BENJAMIN MUELLER and NATE SCHWEBERSEPT. 11, 2015

In 2012, a Queens man said, Officer James Frascatore pulled him over for a broken taillight, opened his car door and punched him three times in the mouth, unprovoked.

The following year, another Queens resident recalled, Officer Frascatore beat him in his driveway during an arrest after he started to go into his home to retrieve an identification card.

Those accounts, both made by black men, came to light after a rough arrest by the same officer on Wednesday in which he wrapped an arm around the neck of the retired tennis star James Blake and threw him to the sidewalk after mistaking him for a suspect in a credit card fraud investigation.

The New York Police Department released surveillance video of the arrest on Friday, offering a minute-long glimpse of the manhandling of a biracial celebrity by a white plainclothes officer that compelled police officials to swiftly strip the officer of his gun and badge.


Mr. Blake was leaning against a mirrored beam outside a hotel in Midtown Manhattan, his hands clasped and motionless, as he waited to be taken to a corporate appearance at the United States Open. Officer Frascatore, 38, rushed into the video’s frame, twisting Mr. Blake’s left arm, grabbing the back of his neck and pulling him face down onto the sidewalk.




He finished by digging his knee into Mr. Blake’s back and handcuffing him, never easing up even though the Harvard-educated athlete barely flinched as he let himself be tackled.

“As I told the commissioner, I am determined to use my voice to turn this unfortunate incident into a catalyst for change in the relationship between the police and the public they serve,” Mr. Blake said in a statement on Friday, calling for the city to make “a significant financial commitment.”

Mayor Bill de Blasio and Police Commissioner William J. Bratton, in a joint response, noted the city’s $29 million investment in retraining police officers and pledged “to vigorously implement these reforms that build trust and respect between police officers and the people they serve.”

Officer Frascatore’s history of excessive force complaints, including at least three filed against him with the Civilian Complaint Review Board in 2013 and several lawsuits, revealed a pattern of residents claiming they were detained without explanation and manhandled despite complying. It also led some lawyers and residents to criticize the Police Department for not punishing him before he was involved in another rough arrest.

“I don’t know what that dude’s problem is but I’m glad it finally came to somebody who someone would listen to,” said Warren Diggs, who sued Officer Frascatore, claiming that the officer had beaten him in his driveway in 2013. “Finally somebody’s saying something, and somebody’s listening.”

Officer Frascatore and two other police officers followed Mr. Diggs as he rode his bike home from a bodega at night, and then stopped him in his driveway and asked for identification, Mr. Diggs said on Friday.

When he began walking into his home to get it, an officer grabbed him from behind and immobilized his arms while Officer Frascatore punched him in his right temple, Mr. Diggs said. He collapsed, injuring his shoulder on the pavement. Then, Mr. Diggs said, Officer Frascatore threw himself down on his legs and continued to pummel him.

“Frascatore starts punching me again; I’m getting hit all on my side and my back,” said Mr. Diggs, 39, a handyman. “I’m screaming for my wife to come outside then I just start screaming, ‘Help!’ ”

Another officer sprayed Mace into his face. The officer who grabbed him, still holding him from behind, hooked a forearm around his neck and began to choke him, he said.

“I’m saying: ‘I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe!’ ” Mr. Diggs recalled.


Mr. Diggs was charged with marijuana possession and resisting arrest, he said. His wife was charged with tampering with evidence when she took his bicycle inside the house. Their daughter, then 12, and son, then 9, wept hysterically, he said. Charges were eventually dismissed.

“The commissioner has taken it upon himself to apologize to James Blake, a wealthy star athlete, for the indignity he was made to endure,” Mr. Diggs’s lawyer, Amy Rameau, said. “I’ve never seen that happen.”

Efforts to reach Officer Frascatore, who worked as police officer in Florida before joining the New York police force four years ago, were not successful. The Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association said his arrest of Mr. Blake “was made under fluid circumstances where the subject might have fled.”

Several people have complained that Officer Frascatore pulled them over for broken taillights they denied having, and then treated their questions as a pretext to hurt them.

Leroy Cline, a Queens resident, claimed that Officer Frascatore punched him in the face after the officer ignored his questions and tried to pull him out of his car, according to a memorandum his lawyer sent to the Queens district attorney’s office. Mr. Cline was charged with assaulting a police officer. Officer Frascatore later said Mr. Cline bit him.


The memo quotes from medical records, reviewed by an expert witness, showing the officer’s cut on his hand was consistent with him punching Mr. Cline in the mouth.

In the course of arguing for the case against Mr. Cline to be dropped, the lawyer, Kenneth Finkelman, of the Legal Aid Society, said he uncovered complaints against Officer Frascatore filed with the review board. One of them, concerning the arrest of Mr. Diggs and his wife, was partially substantiated, but Mr. Finkelman said that the complaint was referred to internal affairs investigators and that there was no evidence of the officer’s being punished. (The case against Mr. Cline was never brought to trial.)

“Rather than them actually vigorously keeping the public safe, they seem to be trying to shield the police officers,” Mr. Finkelman said.