The Healthy Food Thread

skidadl

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Yep. Don't care to google it right now, so I probably have the exact numbers wrong. But I remember reading that back in the day, if a person made it to the age of 30 or 40 -- that is, he avoided childhood or young adult death from disease or accident -- he lived just as long as people today.

So people are living longer mainly due to advancements in trauma care and emergency surgery availability.

And I'm with you on the natural foods. Not sure why some get so defensive about that. There's nothing really wrong with fertilizer, but IMO a bunch of pesticides out there are very bad news.
Fertilizer isn't that bad alone. It is farming practices that go along with it. NPK is what standard fertilizer is made of. It quickly grows big, beautiful fruits and veggies, which makes people a bunch of money. The problem is that you lose a bunch of nutrition when you do that along with damaging the soil. Nature provides everything that we need to grow food.
 

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Also, it really doesn't have to be more expensive to grow food organically, at at least with drastically reduced chemicals. There are cover crop farmers whose yields are just as high as chemical users. Plus they don't have to irrigate as much. Granted, it takes a few years to get to that point, but then you're all good.

But then the pesticide and fertilizer manufacturers don't have anything to sell.

BTW, I wouldn't expect most people to realize this. I sure didn't until I started growing my own vegetables a couple of years ago and got interested in the subject.
Yup, I covered this earlier. With some time you can go chemical free. More nutrients will be had and delicious food is grown. It really isn't that hard, it just takes a switch in mindset.
 

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Yep. Don't care to google it right now, so I probably have the exact numbers wrong. But I remember reading that back in the day, if a person made it to the age of 30 or 40 -- that is, he avoided childhood or young adult death from disease or accident -- he lived just as long as people today.

So people are living longer mainly due to advancements in trauma care and emergency surgery availability.

And I'm with you on the natural foods. Not sure why some get so defensive about that. There's nothing really wrong with fertilizer, but IMO a bunch of pesticides out there are very bad news.
Trama care is where the medical community wins. Otherwise we have shifted to disease management, which cures nothing.
 

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Trama care is where the medical community wins. Otherwise we have shifted to disease management, which cures nothing.
But disease management is much more profitable. That is practically the entire pharm industry.
 

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But disease management is much more profitable. That is practically the entire pharm industry.
Careful there, you are charting into unproven conspiracy theory territory there, pal.
 

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Good point regarding eliminating the unpronouncable ingredients, but is there a difference in the sick person eliminating processed foods to changing to organic vs non-organic fruits, vegetables, eggs, etc?
That's actually a very bad point, for the record.
 

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If I Can’t Pronounce An Ingredient, Is It Bad?

02/04/2014
Additives like carrageenan, maltodextrin, azodicarbonamide and xylitol are not unfamiliar to our food ingredients list. But if we can’t pronounce them, should we really be eating them? We spoke with a few experts to get the scoop on food ingredients.
Just because you’re not familiar with an ingredient, doesn’t necessarily mean you should avoid it, according to Robert Gravani, PhD, a food scientist professor at Cornell University.

“Companies don’t just add products or substances just for the sake of adding,” said Gravani during an interview on National Public Radio. “They have some functional purpose in the production or preparation or the appeal of that particular product to consumers.”

Additives are used in foods for very specific purposes

Additives are used in foods for very specific purposes, said Gravani: to maintain and enhance nutritional value, to maintain quality and freshness and to reduce waste. Ammonium sulfate, azodicarbonamide, and L-cysteine, for example, are used to produce more stable dough in breads and other baked goods. Lactic acid and sodium carbonate control acidity and prevent spoilage. And glycerin and sorbitol help retain moisture in products like shredded coconut and marshmallows.

“In many cases, additives improve our health,” he said. Raise your hand if you know someone with a major nutritional disease like pellagra? Haven’t heard of it? Probably because we’ve eliminated it by adding niacin to bread products and flours, said Gravani. How about goiter? Nope. “We’ve eliminated that by adding iodine to our salt,” he said.
Consumers have choices – and they have every right to pose questions to the companies making their food, he said. Food companies around the world are trying to simplify labels and scientific terms whenever possible to help us better understand why a particular ingredient is included, said Gravani.

“I think it’s very important to look at the reasons we add them,” he said.
We also reached out to two of our nutrition experts to get their take on this topic.

Carolyn O’Neil, MS, RD: While consumers certainly have the right to know what’s in their food and whether ingredients are hazardous or healthy, simplistic advice to avoid any ingredients with chemical names that are difficult to pronounce doesn’t help. If you see ascorbic acid on a food label, that’s vitamin C. Sodium chloride is table salt. Natural ingredients have chemical names, too.

As a registered dietitian I believe it’s best to tell consumers as much as possible about why a food ingredient is used and explain how the amount per serving meets federal safety standards.

Julie M. Jones, PhD, CNS, LN, CFS, FICC:
This is not at all a good rule of thumb. For example, cyanocobalamin is vitamin B12; stilbene resverotrol is the antioxidant in red wine; guar and xanthan gums extracted from plants add dietary fiber to the diet. These are just a few of a million examples.
We would be happy to help answer any of the ‘whys,’ the ‘hows’ and the ‘whats’ you may have about food additives. Mull them over while you’re munching on that malus domestica (that‘s an apple, by the way) and then send them our way!
 

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Additives are the majority of the time added to aid in the cost, effect of transport time, shelf life and cosmetic effect. For some one to imply they are necessary is laughable. Even vitamin additives are to promote a product to supplement what normally wouldn't be consumed as a showcase. If you have a healthy diet, adding cyancobalamin as B12 is hardly impactful.
 

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That's actually a very bad point, for the record.
Wait, you are saying it is a bad idea to eliminate unnatural ingredients to see if your health improves? Preventable disease is increasing, that is well established. Have you ever heard of anyone who ate healthier and got sick as a result? :lol

There isn't anyone in their right mind that would agree that what we eat doesn't make a difference.
 

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Additives are the majority of the time added to aid in the cost, effect of transport time, shelf life and cosmetic effect. For some one to imply they are necessary is laughable. Even vitamin additives are to promote a product to supplement what normally wouldn't be consumed as a showcase. If you have a healthy diet, adding cyancobalamin as B12 is hardly impactful.
Right. But we don't practice nutrition anymore, we practice nutritionism. Take cereal for instance - take a healthy beneficial nutrient in whole grain, strip away the good stuff, produce more, make it undigestable and the add some B12 and slap it on the box. You're welcome, we just made your food devoid of nutrients, added corn syrup and sugar but we added B12 so now it is healthy.
 
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Additives are the majority of the time added to aid in the cost, effect of transport time, shelf life and cosmetic effect. For some one to imply they are necessary is laughablel.
I wouldn't call extending transport time and shelf life 'laughable'. Unless you think perishable foods can be transported around the world or even across the country, and arrive in good condition?
 

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I was sick and dying. Now I'm not. I must be crazy.
 
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