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What is Ferguson doing on Europe's front pages?
Aug 19th 2014, 16:29 by M.S. | AMSTERDAM

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I WOKE up today to find my Dutch morning paper, the Volkskrant, dominated by a full-page spread on the results of the independent autopsy on Michael Brown, the shooting victim whose death has plunged the town of Ferguson, Missouri, into protests and riots. The situation in Ferguson also headlined today's editions of Spain's El Pais, Portugal's Publico, Denmark's Politiken, France's Liberation, and Germany's Der Tagespiegel, Die Tageszeitung and Die Welt. The racially charged protests over police brutality in Ferguson are an important story, but the level of attention they are drawing in Europe is frankly bizarre. Police killings of unarmed black men occur regularly in America, and Ferguson is a small, faraway midwestern town. Yet the protests there are drawing more focused attention in northern European media than the anti-austerity riots in Greece did during the euro crisis. When Paris saw anti-Semitic riots following pro-Gaza demonstrations on July 13th, it did not even make a sidebar item on the front page of the next day's Die Welt.

Admittedly, Germany's football team had just won the World Cup that day. (I wasn't able to find archival imagery on whether stories on the Paris riots had made front pages in, say, the Netherlands or Italy.) Besides, there is often a strange feeling of regional dissociation in Europe; many countries feel themselves closer to current events in America than to those in neighbouring countries. Young Dutch certainly seem to know more about politics in America than in France or Italy. Still, this has not been a summer that has lacked for news. On Monday the Ukrainian army was taking over Luhansk, the Kurds were reconquering the Mosul dam from ISIS, Israel and Hamas were still locked in negotiations over extending their ceasefire, and the WHO announced that the number of Ebola victims had topped 1,200. All of these stories are closer and more relevant to Europeans than issues of racial justice in the St Louis suburbs. So what is Ferguson doing on Europe's front pages?

Part of the attraction of the Ferguson story for Europeans may be a bit of Schadenfreude enjoyment of America's racial woes. Europeans got tremendous political mileage out of America's racial conflicts in the 1960s, using American racism as a negative pole to rally support for counter-American projects both on the Gaullist right and on the socialist left. In recent years it has been Europe that has struggled with anti-immigrant racism and an integration model that seems to work much worse than America's. Europeans weary of criticism over rising xenophobia may be relieved to see that America still has its own troubles.

In a similar fashion, countries such as China, Russia, Egypt and Iran are exploiting the Ferguson riots to try to blunt human-rights criticism of their own repressive activities. "Obviously, what the United States needs to do is to concentrate on solving its own problems rather than always pointing fingers at others," huffed an editorial published by Xinhua on Monday. "We would like to advise our American partners to pay more attention to restoring order in their own country, before imposing their dubious experience on others," Russia's foreign ministry declared Friday.

This sort of nonsense essentially recaps scripts developed by the Soviet Union in the 1960s and '70s, and there's nothing to say about it except that it should be entirely disregarded. Racism is far more ubiquitous, deep-seated and reflexive in both China and Russia than it is in America or western Europe, precisely because events like those in Ferguson lead America to engage in a soul-searching national debate, while similar events in Russia and China generally lead either to no internal self-examination, or to a hardening of racial animosities. Persistent racial discrimination and prejudice in America should not lead America or other countries to be any less harsh in their condemnations of China's treatment of Tibetans and Uighurs, or of Russia's treatment of Chechens, Dagestanis, Roma, Vietnamese, etc.

That said, there's another reason why the events in Ferguson are so interesting to a European public, and for that matter to everyone else. The confrontation in Ferguson, as many observers have noticed, looks uncannily like the ones in Ukraine, Gaza and Iraq. There is clearly some kind of a global blowback going on, in which military techniques of forcible population control developed for use at the periphery of states' areas of sovereignty are now being applied at the centre. Leonid Bershidsky, a brilliant Russian journalist and editor, laid out the similarities in a fascinating column yesterday in Bloomberg View. "Police officers around the world are becoming convinced they are fighting a war on something or other, whether that's drugs, terrorism, anarchists or political subversion," Mr Bershidsky writes. "This mindset contrasts with the public's unchanged perception of what the police should be doing, which is to keep the streets safe, a conceptual clash that can lead to unexpected results."

The difference between these two kinds of policing, Mr Bershidsky writes, can be modeled as the division between the London Metropolitan Police Force established in 1829, which conceived itself as fighting crime in concert with the populace, and the repressive colonial police forces the British Empire employed in "colonies of rule" such as Ireland and India, who conceived of themselves as keeping potentially hostile local populations in line. He cites the argument of Emma Bell, a faculty member at France's Universite de Savoie, that the colonial policing culture is now "coming home", as local police forces come to see themselves as hostile to the populations they police. And he recalls how militarised police provoked the conflict in Ukraine.

On Nov. 30, the Berkut riot police beat up a few hundred students who had camped on the main square of the capital, Kiev, to call for closer ties between Ukraine and Europe. Ukrainians were not used to being treated like the population of a "colony of rule." Hundreds of thousands took to the streets the following day, setting off a chain of events that led to the overthrow of President Viktor Yanukovych and the current crisis on Europe's eastern borders.

That reaction helps to explain why the heavily armed police in Ferguson, Missouri—who looked more threatening and wore more tactical armor than U.S. servicemen in Iraq—were unsuccessful. Now they are to be aided by the National Guard, which is paramilitary by definition.

Arming police with military weaponry and outfitting them for battle is a recipe for creating violent conflict where there was none and achieves the opposite of keeping public order.

I am not entirely convinced that Mr Bershidsky is right that increasing the level of militarisation of the police response in Ferguson will have the opposite of its intended effect. Ferguson's own police force may have been heavily militarised, but they were also untrained and incompetent. Better trained and more efficient militarised police have been highly successful at containing and shutting down popular protests in New York, Moscow, Cairo and so on. The depressing reality is that, as repressive as modern police tactics of population control may be, they seem to be very effective, and the boundaries for autonomous civic action are growing ever narrower. Indeed, even as Ferguson was featuring on the cover of today's Volkskrant, the paper was also reporting on efforts by the mayor of The Hague to ban an anti-ISIS march by Dutch right-wingers in a largely Muslim neighbourhood, after an earlier march led to violent clashes. Europeans are right to be riveted by what's happening in Ferguson. It is in the same genre as the stories of protest and control we see playing out all over the world.
 

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Dillon Taylor is dead. An unarmed man shot and killed by a policeman.

It's been two weeks now. No riots. No looting. No violent protests. No national 'round the clock media coverage. Has it even been mentioned on this board? Not even by our resident anarchists or DCC Al.

I wonder why?
 

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Lol. Ted Nugent had a whole list of people murdered in the last few months with that question as well.
 

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Lol. Ted Nugent had a whole list of people murdered in the last few months with that question as well.
I'm not talking about your every day, run of the mill murder. I'm talking about a policeman shooting a citizen. And if it's found the policemen had cause, it wouldn't be murder now, would it.

That's the brunt of the last couple week's angst, is it not?
 

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Dillon Taylor is dead. An unarmed man shot and killed by a policeman.

It's been two weeks now. No riots. No looting. No violent protests. No national 'round the clock media coverage. Has it even been mentioned on this board? Not even by our resident anarchists or DCC Al.

I wonder why?
Yeah, Jiggy Lee, what say ye?
 

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11 chilling facts about America’s militarized police force
The war on terror has come home -- and it's wreaking havoc on innocent American lives

ALEX KANE, ALTERNET



11 chilling facts about America's militarized police force
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AlterNetThe “war on terror” has come home–and it’s wreaking havoc on innocent American lives. The culprit is the militarization of the police.

The weapons used in the “war on terror” that destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq have made their way to local law enforcement. While police forces across the country began a process of militarization complete with SWAT teams and flash-bang grenades when President Reagan intensified the “war on drugs,” the post-9/11 “war on terror” has added fuel to the fire.

Through laws and regulations like a provision in defense budgets that authorize the Pentagon to transfer surplus military gear to police forces, local law enforcement are using weapons found on the battlefields of South Asia and the Middle East.

A recent New York Times article by Matt Apuzzo reported that in the Obama era, “police departments have received tens of thousands of machine guns; nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines; thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment; and hundreds of silencers, armored cars and aircraft.” The result is that police agencies around the nation possess military-grade equipment, turning officers who are supposed to fight crime and protect communities into what look like invading forces from an army. And military-style police raids have increased in recent years, with one count putting the number at 80,000 such raids last year.

In June, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) brought more attention to police militarization when it issued a comprehensive, nearly 100-page (appendix and endnotes included) report titled,“War Comes Home: The Excessive Militarization of American Policing.” Based on public records requests to more than 260 law enforcement agencies in 26 states, the ACLU concluded that “American policing has become excessively militarized through the use of weapons and tactics designed for the battlefield” and that this militarization “unfairly impacts people of color and undermines individual liberties, and it has been allowed to happen in the absence of any meaningful public discussion.”

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The information contained in the ACLU report, and in other investigations into the phenomenon, is sobering. From the killing of innocent people to the lack of debate on the issue, police militarization has turned into a key issue for Americans. It is harming civil liberties, ramping up the “war on drugs,” impacting the most marginalized members of society and transforming neighborhoods into war zones. Here are 11 important–and horrifying–things you should know about the militarization of police.

1. It harms, and sometimes kills, innocent people. When you have heavily armed police officers using flash-bang grenades and armored personnel carriers, innocent people are bound to be hurt. The likelihood of people being killed is raised by the practice of SWAT teams busting down doors with no warning, which leads some people to think it may be a burglary, who could in turn try to defend themselves. The ACLU documented seven cases of civilians dying, and 46 people being injured. That’s only in the cases the civil liberties group looked at, so the number is actually higher.

Take the case of Tarika Wilson, which the ACLU summarizes. The 26-year-old biracial mother lived in Lima, Ohio. Her boyfriend, Anthony Terry, was wanted by the police on suspicion of drug dealing. So on January 4, 2008, a SWAT team busted down Wilson’s door and opened fire. A SWAT officer killed Wilson and injured her one-year-old baby, Sincere Wilson. The killing sparked rage in Lima and accusations of a racist police department, but the officer who shot Wilson, Sgt. Joe Chavalia, was found not guilty on all charges.

2. Children are impacted. As the case of Wilson shows, the police busting down doors care little about whether there’s a child in the home. Another case profiled by the ACLU shows how children are caught up the crossfire–with devastating consequences.

In May, after their Wisconsin home had burned down, the Phonesavanh family was staying with relatives in Georgia. One night, a SWAT team with assault rifles invaded the home and threw a flashbang grenade–despite the presence of kids’ toys in the front yard. The police were looking for the father’s nephew on drug charges. He wasn’t there. But a 19-month-old named Bou Bou was–and the grenade landed in his crib.

Bou Bou was wounded in the chest and had third-degree burns. He was put in a medically induced coma.

Another high-profile instance of a child being killed by paramilitary police tactics occurred in 2010, when seven-year-old Aiyana Stanley-Jones was killed in Detroit. The city’s Special Response Team (Detroit’s SWAT) was looking for Chauncey Owens, a suspect in the killing of a teenager who lived on the second floor of the apartment Jones lived in.

Officers raided the home, threw a flash-bang grenade, and fired one shot that struck Jones in the head. The police agent who fired the fatal shot, Joseph Weekley, has so far gotten off easy: a jury trial ended in deadlock last year, though he will face charges of involuntary manslaughter in September. As The Nation’s Mychal Denzel Smith wrote last year after Weekley was acquitted: “What happened to Aiyana is the result of the militarization of police in this country…Part of what it means to be black in America now is watching your neighborhood become the training ground for our increasingly militarized police units.”

Bou Bou and Jones aren’t the only case of children being impacted.

According to the ACLU, “of the 818 deployments studied, 14 percent involved the presence of children and 13 percent did not.”

3. The use of SWAT teams is unnecessary. In many cases, using militarized teams of police is not needed. The ACLU report notes that the vast majority of cases where SWAT teams are deployed are in situations where a search warrant is being executed to just look for drugs. In other words, it’s not even 100% clear whether there are drugs at the place the police are going to. These situations are not why SWAT was created.

Furthermore, even when SWAT teams think there are weapons, they are often wrong. The ACLU report shows that in the cases where police thought weapons would be there, they were right only a third of the time.


4. The “war on terror” is fueling militarization. It was the “war on drugs” that introduced militarized policing to the U.S. But the “war on terror” has accelerated it.

A growing number of agencies have taken advantage of the Department of Defense’s “1033” program, which is passed every year as part of the National Defense Authorization Act, the budget for the Pentagon. The number of police agencies obtaining military equipment like mine-resistant ambush protected (MRAP) vehicles has increased since 2009, according to USA Today, which notes that this “surplus military equipment” is “left over from U.S. military campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.” This equipment is largely cost-free for the police agencies who receive them.

In addition to the Pentagon budget provision, another agency created in the aftermath of 9/11 is helping militarize the police. The Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) own grants funnel military-style equipment to local police departments nationwide. According to a 2011 Center for Investigative Reporting story published by The Daily Beast, at least $34 billion in DHS grants have gone to police agencies to buy military-style equipment. This money has gone to purchase drones, tactical vests, bomb-disarming robots, tanks and more.

5. It’s a boon to contractor profits. The trend towards police militarization has given military contractors another lucrative market where they can shop their products. Companies like Lockheed Martin and Blackhawk Industries are making big bucks by selling their equipment to agencies flush with Department of Homeland Security grants.

In addition to the actual selling of equipment, contractors also sponsor training events for SWAT teams, like Urban Shield, a major arms expo that has attracted increasing attention from activists in recent years. SWAT teams, police agencies and military contractors converge on Urban Shield, which was held in California last year, to train and to promote equipment to buy.

6. Border militarization and police militarization go hand in hand. The “war on terror” and “war on drugs” aren’t the only wars helping police militarization. There’s also the war on undocumented immigrants.

The notorious Sheriff Joe Arpaio, infamous for brutal crackdowns on undocumented immigrants, is the paradigmatic example of this trend. According to the ACLU, Arpaio’s Maricopa County department has acquired a machine gun so powerful it could tear through buildings on multiple city blocks. In addition, he has 120 assault rifles, five armored vehicles and ten helicopters. Other law enforcement agencies in Arizona have obtained equipment like bomb suits and night-vision goggles.

Then there’s a non-local law enforcement agency on the border: the Border Patrol, which has obtained drones and attack helicopters. And Border Patrol agents are acting like they’re at war. A recent Los Angeles Times investigation revealed that law enforcement experts had found that that the Border Patrol has killed 19 people from January 2010-October 2012, including some of whom when the agents were under no lethal, direct threat.

7. Police are cracking down on dissent. In 1999, massive protests rocked Seattle during the World Trade Organization meeting. The police cracked down hard on the demonstrators using paramilitary tactics. Police fired tear gas at protesters, causing all hell to break loose.

Norm Stamper, the Seattle police chief at the time, criticized the militarized policing he presided over in a Nation article in 2011. “Rocks, bottles and newspaper racks went flying. Windows were smashed, stores were looted, fires lighted; and more gas filled the streets, with some cops clearly overreacting, escalating and prolonging the conflict,” wrote Stamper.

More than a decade after the Seattle protests, militarized policing to crack down on dissent returned with a vengeance during the wave of Occupy protests in 2011. Tear gas and rubber bullets were used to break up protests in Oakland. Scott Olsen, an Occupy Oakland protester and war veteran, was struck in the head by a police projectile, causing a fractured skull, broken neck vertebrae and brain swelling.

8. Asset forfeitures are funding police militarization. In June, AlterNet’s Aaron Cantuoutlined how civil asset forfeiture laws work.

“It’s a legal fiction spun up hundreds of years ago to give the state the power to convict a person’s property of a crime, or at least, implicate its involvement in the committing of a crime. When that happened, the property was to be legally seized by the state,” wrote Cantu. He went on to explain that law enforcement justifies the seizing of property and cash as a way to break up narcotics rings’ infrastructure. But it can also be used in cases where a person is not convicted, or even charged with, a crime.

Asset forfeitures bring in millions of dollars for police agencies, who then spend the money for their own uses. And for some police departments, it goes to militarizing their police force.

New Yorker reporter Sarah Stillman, who penned a deeply reported piece on asset forfeitures,wrote in August 2013 that“thousands of police departments nationwide have recently acquired stun grenades, armored tanks, counterattack vehicles, and other paramilitary equipment, much of it purchased with asset-forfeiture funds.” So SWAT teams have an incentive to conduct raids where they seize property and cash. That money can then go into their budgets for more weapons.

9. Dubious informants are used for raids. As the New Yorker’s Stillman wrote in another piece,informants are “the foot soldiers in the government’s war on drugs. By some estimates, up to eighty per cent of all drug cases in America involve them.” Given SWAT teams’ focus on finding drugs, it’s no surprise that informants are used to gather information that lead to military-style police raids.

A 2006 policy paper by investigative journalist Radley Balko, who has done the most reporting on militarized policing, highlighted the negative impact using informants for these raids have. Most often, informants are “people who regularly seek out drug users and dealers and tip off the police in exchange for cash rewards” and other drug dealers, who inform to gain leniency or cash from the police. But these informants are quite unreliable–and the wrong information can lead to tragic consequences.

10. There’s been little debate and oversight. Despite the galloping march towards militarization, there is little public debate or oversight of the trend. The ACLU report notes that “there does not appear to be much, if any, local oversight of law enforcement agency receipt of equipment transfers.” One of the group’s recommendations to change that is for states and local municipalities to enact laws encouraging transparency and oversight of SWAT teams.

11. Communities of color bear the brunt. Across the country, communities of color are the people most targeted by police practices. In recent years, the abuse of “stop and frisk” tactics has attracted widespread attention because of the racially discriminatory way it has been applied.

Militarized policing has also targeted communities of color. According to the ACLU report, “of all the incidents studied where the number and race of the people impacted were known, 39 percent were Black, 11 percent were Latino, 20 were white.” The majority of raids that targeted blacks and Latinos were related to drugs–another metric exposing how the “war on drugs” is racist to the core.

Alex Kane is a staff reporter at Mondoweiss and the World editor at AlterNet. His work has also appeared in The Daily Beast, the Electronic Intifada, Extra! and Common Dreams. Follow him on Twitter @alexbkane.
 
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Yeah, Jiggy Lee, what say ye?
I say the same thing I have said about this case it needs to investigated with vigor and the cop prosecuted if facts say he acted maliciously.

But really what did you think I would say because he is white I don't give a dam, really whats your point?

I never condoned the violence that happened in Ferguson, I never even commented on this case until people seemed to go out of their way to create scenarios or facts to support the cop.

Yes the media cranked up the race issues in this case that's no reason to pick a side and hunker down.
 

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I agree with this article on the matter .

Posted in: Opinion Posted: August 24, 2014
Dillon Taylor Shooting: Proof Ferguson Protesters Are Having The Wrong Conversation
Dillon Taylor Shooting: Proof We Should Throw Away The News?
COMMENTARY | The Dillon Taylor shooting, which involved a 20-year-old white unarmed teen and an African-American police officer, has gone largely unreported save for The Inquisitr’s own Jonathan Vankin and numerous conservative blogs.

The relative lack of media attention and the White House’s lackadaisical attitude toward the death of Taylor — though to be fair, they may not be saying anything because none of the so-called “serious” journalists are asking about it and they may not know, though we doubt it — has fueled the anger and outrage of many on the opposite side of the Michael Brown shooting.

Ferguson, Missouri, has become a hotbed of protests and protesters demanding answers as to why Brown, an unarmed African-American teen, was shot six times by a white police officer.

In the Brown case, evidence has surfaced (via Washington Post) that calls in to question the original narrative sold by the Ferguson protesters and the national media.

Furthermore, the reported vicious attack to the face of the police officer and the manner in which the shots were fired have gelled with opposing testimonies that the Ferguson cop, Darren Wilson, may have acted in self-defense.

Yes, six shots seem a little much to shoot anyone unarmed, but there is still a lot we don’t know about that situation, such as the full toxicology report of Michael Brown (We do know there was marijuana in his system, but the autopsy results are unclear at this point).

However, there has been an active willingness to convict Wilson before a proper investigation can be conducted.

In an effort to win sympathy from what the Ferguson protesters are going through, President Barack Obama has even called for a review of the military-grade equipment and gear that has been issued to the Ferguson police and departments in general throughout the country (Something I’m not entirely against).

Through all this, we’ve heard so much talk of race being the primary motivator for the death of Michael Brown.

With the Dillon Taylor shooting, however, we’ve heard nothing.

Nothing from so-called journalists, who seem to be creating news instead of reporting it. And that’s a shame, really, because it highlights the conversation that Ferguson protesters should be having instead of the racially-charged animosity that has broken out as a result of the Michael Brown shooting.

And that conversation should be over this: how we allow the news to influence our actions.

As with Michael Brown, the Dillon Taylor shooting still has a few variables we know nothing about. For instance, the cop responsible for shooting Taylor was wearing a camera at the time. To date, the police have not released the footage captured in Taylor’s final moments.

There could be an entirely plausible reason for this delay; then again, they could be stonewalling with a more sinister motivation.

We don’t know. And this is why we shouldn’t be taking to the streets and social media spreading misinformation, half-truths, and outright lies.

We are so quick to latch on to our version of the truth and blast it out to our followers on Facebook and Twitter without showing discretion; without checking all the facts; without drawing a well-thought-out conclusion.

Unfortunately, when we do this, we get the media we deserve, and we drift further and further apart as a nation.


Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1430653/dillon-taylor-shooting-proof-ferguson-protesters-are-having-the-wrong-conversation/#QtKEt2hTQo90reBc.99
 

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I never even commented on this case until people seemed to go out of their way to create scenarios or facts to support the cop.
Nobody "created" shit. Show us an example where anybody created anything. I did see things like the official autopsy report that you were dismissing, though. Or where you were calling bullshit on the "dozen witnesses" thing Iamtdg was talking about. Until, of course, he showed exactly what you were asking for. Then conveniently ignored. Or where you originally entered the conversation, accusing Kbrown of saying/wanting things he wasn't even talking about.

Yes. It was the media that cranked up the race issues. And you certainly didn't pick a side and hunker down, right? You must think we're all blind and retarded if we don't see what it is you do in this and all other threads that deal with race relations.
 

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So, why is it offensive to call someone black, but not when someone is called white? Serious question. Not once in that article did the writer use the term black.
 

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So, why is it offensive to call someone black, but not when someone is called white? Serious question. Not once in that article did the writer use the term black.
I've wondered that. Just a guess on my part, but I'd be willing to bet 99% of 'African Americans' have never actually been to Africa. Or for that matter, nobody in their family for many, many generations.

I think maybe I want people to start calling me Norwegian American. I've never been there, but it does have a nice ring to it.
 

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I've wondered that. Just a guess on my part, but I'd be willing to bet 99% of 'African Americans' have never actually been to Africa. Or for that matter, nobody in their family for many, many generations.

I think maybe I want people to start calling me Norwegian American. I've never been there, but it does have a nice ring to it.
From here forward, you will refer to me as an Irish-German-American. thx
 

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Nobody "created" shit. Show us an example where anybody created anything. I did see things like the official autopsy report that you were dismissing, though. Or where you were calling bullshit on the "dozen witnesses" thing Iamtdg was talking about. Until, of course, he showed exactly what you were asking for. Then conveniently ignored. Or where you originally entered the conversation, accusing Kbrown of saying/wanting things he wasn't even talking about.

Yes. It was the media that cranked up the race issues. And you certainly didn't pick a side and hunker down, right? You must think we're all blind and retarded if we don't see what it is you do in this and all other threads that deal with race relations.
First of all he never produced those dozen witnesses so I don't know what you are talking about.

Second of all people have posted scenarios were he went for the gun or charged the officer or fractured his face none of which have been proven true all examples in this thread.

Third of all why are you so agitated what is it you think I do in threads that deal with race relations, give my point of view?

Nobody has even really brought up race in this thread but you, why is that?
 

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First of all he never produced those dozen witnesses so I don't know what you are talking about.

Second of all people have posted scenarios were he went for the gun or charged the officer or fractured his face none of which have been proven true all examples in this thread.

Third of all why are you so agitated what is it you think I do in threads that deal with race relations, give my point of view?

Nobody has even really brought up race in this thread but you, why is that?
Could be because all this is about race. Even the most casual of observers can see that.
 

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So, why is it offensive to call someone black, but not when someone is called white? Serious question. Not once in that article did the writer use the term black.
Its not offensive IMO and I don't know anyone that prefers to be called African American.
 

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I was making a general observation not anyone one specifically.
 

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So, why is it offensive to call someone black, but not when someone is called white? Serious question. Not once in that article did the writer use the term black.
I've wondered that. Just a guess on my part, but I'd be willing to bet 99% of 'African Americans' have never actually been to Africa. Or for that matter, nobody in their family for many, many generations.

I think maybe I want people to start calling me Norwegian American. I've never been there, but it does have a nice ring to it.
I've heard this kind of stuff many times. Usually it's some redneck that begins this way, keeps drinking, and eventually starts throwing the word nigger around until one of his buddies decides he better get the guy out of there before things escalate. I don't think you guys are racist, I'm just sayin'.
 

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First of all he never produced those dozen witnesses so I don't know what you are talking about.
He posted an article which clearly stated a dozen witness in the title, then talked about them in the body of the article. Which you asked for, then dismissed when you didn't think he could. Typical.

Second of all people have posted scenarios were he went for the gun or charged the officer or fractured his face none of which have been proven true all examples in this thread.
Bull. Sure, people were talking about that. But nobody "created" that line of thinking like you are imagining here. Those things were mentioned in numerous articles, and were just brought up as a talking point here. Only you thought they were created here. And you might want to pay attention to the article you just posted, and said you agreed with...
Furthermore, the reported vicious attack to the face of the police officer and the manner in which the shots were fired have gelled with opposing testimonies that the Ferguson cop, Darren Wilson, may have acted in self-defense..

Third of all why are you so agitated what is it you think I do in threads that deal with race relations, give my point of view?
Nobody has even really brought up race in this thread but you, why is that?
:lol
Riiiiiiight.
 
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