The Colin Kaepernick Thread...

[1bigfan13]

Great story shared by Shango. He touches on a little bit of everything in this story......racism, wishy-washy criminal justice system, consequences for reacting, etc.

Definitely worth the watch.

 

[midswat]

I'd rather watch the cowboyjoe draft interview for 24 hours straight than watch a shango video.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'd rather watch the cowboyjoe draft interview for 24 hours straight than watch a shango video.

 

[L.T. Fan]

When is this going to end? Racially-based police brutality, if there is such a thing, has no definitive end in sight. Could be years...so players are gonna get porn star-style strong knees?

Would you be in support of a cute little helmet sticker/decal in lieu of this kneeling thing?

You seem to think I am against the causes of the protest but that is a mistake I am in support of changing and correcting the inequities being identified in the protests in general.

What I am opposed to is using the venue of respecting the the nations symbol and and anthem to do this. The symbol in the instant case the American flag. This is a sacred exercise and should not be subjected to being disrespected.

 

[Texas Ace]

Great story shared by Shango. He touches on a little bit of everything in this story......racism, wishy-washy criminal justice system, consequences for reacting, etc.

Definitely worth the watch.

What an awful story.

But yet certain people don't want those who have been discriminated against to protest in a manner that would dare interrupt their everyday lives.

 

[NoDak]

But yet certain people don't want those who have been discriminated against to protest in a manner that would dare interrupt their everyday lives.

Kneeling during the National Anthem doesn't interrupt my everyday life one bit. Neither does burning the flag. Doesn't make either of them any less disrespectful, though. Doing it this way, the message they are trying to convey is lost in the translation.

I agree with what this protest is supposedly over. I do not agree with how it is being carried out. Go picket in front of a police station if your problem is with the police. Hell, I'd even stand with them.

 

[Texas Ace]

Kneeling during the National Anthem doesn't interrupt my everyday life one bit. Neither does burning the flag. Doesn't make either of them any less disrespectful, though. Doing it this way, the message they are trying to convey is lost in the translation.

I agree with what this protest is supposedly over. I do not agree with how it is being carried out. Go picket in front of a police station if your problem is with the police. Hell, I'd even stand with them.

The burning of the flag is stupid.

I think the protest isn't just about the police anymore, it's about equality or lack thereof.

You can't blame any black person for being upset and feeling like the POTUS doesn't have their backs when he sympathizes with a white supremacist group but then turns around and calls NFL players SOBs because they kneeled for a righteous cause.

Just because some of the players are doing nothing more than kneeling doesn't mean they all are. Some are out there trying to make a difference but it just doesn't make a lot of news.

 

[BipolarFuk]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The burning of the flag is stupid.

I think the protest isn't just about the police anymore, it's about equality or lack thereof.

You can't blame any black person for being upset and feeling like the POTUS doesn't have their backs when he sympathizes with a white supremacist group but then turns around and calls NFL players SOBs because they kneeled for a righteous cause.

Just because some of the players are doing nothing more than kneeling doesn't mean they all are. Some are out there trying to make a difference but it just doesn't make a lot of news.

Frankly the message has been totally lost at this point. Kaep originally started this because he was refusing to stand for a racist countries national anthem essentially. But if you ask any of the NFL players who are doing shit now you would think that this is mostly about standing up to Trump. Which I have no problem with. In fact Dallas kneeling before the game is a great way of doing that without disrespecting the country or the military. After all a county isn't the same thing as their president. It doesn't make any sense to disrespect the county because you don't agree with the president's words or actions.

This whole thing has honestly morphed and there is no clear message by the protest anymore. I'm guessing the whole thing would blow over in a few weeks if the President would just stop commenting on it.

And by the way, I think most of the people who disagree with the protests would agree with a message of coming together of all races. Those people would also agree that cops killing innocent people needs to stop. It's funny because if you go in the Police Thread on our board you'd find that I generally fall on the side opposite of the cop assaulting or killing someone. But these protests do nothing to bring people together. The easiest way I could put it is, if they want change, they need to find a better way of causing it. Because the only kind of change you will see as a result of these protests is more division and anger.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Shango's story is essentially the refs, more often than not, will throw the flag on the retaliator, not the instigator. When we see our players retaliate, in Chatter we usually call him and idiot for getting the penalty and that he should've stayed calm and to get over it. Now we have to punt.

Is Shango assuming that the police or judge would've reacted differently if Shango were white?

Yeah, as an attorney if you beat the shit out of an elderly man for spitting in your wives face, you're going to get arrested and thrown in jail. That doesn't have to do with race. If you put me in the same exact situation I'd have to suck it up and not beat the crap out of that guy. It sucks, I totally agree with him there. Not being able to do something to punish nasty and vile people is extremely painful. And frankly the criminal justice system fails many people in this regard.

I feel his pain but race had nothing to do with his inability to retaliate and I hope that 60 year old who spit in his wives face eventually gets what should be coming to him. Unfortunately when we become adults we just can't settle things with our fists any longer.

 

[midswat]

I think the protest isn't just about the police anymore, it's about equality or lack thereof.

This'll likely trigger bipolar, but I'll say it anyways. I don't think the original 'cause' behind the protest is even valid. I think it's a perceived slight fed mostly by the enabling left and MSM narratives. I just don't see how you can claim 'Murica oppression after the likes of Colin Powell, Barrack Obama, Ben Carson, Condoleeza Rice etc all came from varying backgrounds - including poverty and broken homes and accomplished so much.

You're going to tell me after we just had an african american president for 8 years, that 'Murica is so racists and oppressive?

You can't blame any black person for being upset and feeling like the POTUS doesn't have their backs when he
sympathizes with a white supremacist group

Where did he do this? What quotes was there where he sympathized with white supremacists? Him wanting the media to acknowledge BLM also had a hand in Charlottesville is him sympathizing with WS?

 

[midswat]

A school library rejected Melanie trumps donation of dr Seuss books, calling them racist.

That word gets thrown around so much that it's losing its meaning. It's becoming diluted and no one even knows what real racism is anymore. Which is a shame because real racism is a horrible and disgusting thing.

Same thing with this protest. Calling America oppressive. Gtfoh with that shit. If you want to experience oppression, travel to the Middle East or North Korea.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Did you quote the wrong post? I did not even insinuate that you're against the causes of the protest.

Let me restate. All this kneeling nonsense is due to racially-based police brutality. There won't be a definitive declaration stating that this has ended. This isn't Hispanic Heritage Month where you wake up and it's Oct 1st and over. Racially based police brutality will continue for years and years. Therefore, will this kneeling nonsense continue for years and years as well?

like you, I am opposed to the venue of respecting the nations symbol and anthem to do this. I do not want this kneeling nonsense to continue for years and years, as it seems it will. So...how about a cute little helmet decal and agree to once again stand for the national anthem?

cuz now this kneeling nonsense has spread to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

Okay then. I understand better.

 

[Cotton]

A school library rejected Melanie trumps donation of dr Seuss books, calling them racist.

That word gets thrown around so much that it's losing its meaning. It's becoming diluted and no one even knows what real racism is anymore. Which is a shame because real racism is a horrible and disgusting thing.

Same thing with this protest. Calling America oppressive. Gtfoh with that shit. If you want to experience oppression, travel to the Middle East or North Korea.

I said this exact same thing when talking to a co-worker about this earlier today. The more it is used inappropriately, the further away from a solution to the real racism we get.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I said this exact same thing when talking to a co-worker about this earlier today. The more it is used inappropriately, the further away from a solution to the real racism we get.

It's got to the point that if someone claims racism and you disagree that you are also named a racist. Sort of like the term white supremacist seems to get thrown around all the time now if you don't support the cause.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Sort of appreciate his view on this. If you're trying to bring the country together the one thing that makes no sense is to kneel during the national anthem.

 

[Cotton]

It's got to the point that if someone claims racism and you disagree that you are also named a racist. Sort of like the term white supremacist seems to get thrown around all the time now if you don't support the cause.

And the ridiculously stupid Nazi label.

 

[L.T. Fan]

It's got to the point that if someone claims racism and you disagree that you are also named a racist. Sort of like the term white supremacist seems to get thrown around all the time now if you don't support the cause.

There seems to be a movement underway to polarize people. Initially the movement swung into a different gear with the election results. The first wave was to fragment and polarize the political ideologies by out and out hatred of each other. Now it seems political hatred isn’t enough and it has accelerated to racial agendas. The only person who wasn’t a racist was who agreed with you but if you disagreed then you were both a political numbskull and a racist as well. A look at some of the dialogue on this board will often times bear this out.

 

[skidadl]

At the football game tonight and almost nobody moved from the crowded stands. Like nobody. It felt like everyone was super aware of the situation because the band was playing. Country towns rule.

 

[Rev]

At the football game tonight and almost nobody moved from the crowded stands. Like nobody. It felt like everyone was super aware of the situation because the band was playing. Country towns rule.

Yes, they do. The announcer at our HS football games is very adamant that we don't just play the national anthem but we sing the national anthem. He starts the game with that at every home game and has for years. The football team runs out from one of those inflatable covers with fog coming out and the lead guy carries an American flag the full length of the field. RG3 carried that flag many times and didnt get hurt.