President Trump Thread...

[jsmith6919]

 

[Sheik]

 

[boozeman]

Wait...I thought this was FAKE CHINA VIRUS!!!!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Damn, that sucks. Can you imagine a president dying right before the election? If it ever happened it would be in 2020.

Can't wait to see all the classy reactions from the media/left. Booze's is just a very mild start.

 

[boozeman]

Damn, that sucks. Can you imagine a president dying right before the election? If it ever happened it would be in 2020.

Can't wait to see all the classy reactions from the media/left. Booze's is just a very mild start.

He deserves every bit of rancor right now considering he told our country repeatedly that it was fake, mask wearing was useless, scoffing at those who wanted schools shut down. Sorry not sorry. He needs to own it.

Do I want him to die from it? No. But if I were someone who lost loved ones because he was irresponsible and careless, I probably would.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Umm... One, he's had several personal friends die from it, so he knows it's not fake. He's also said he's all for masks if one can't social distance. And kids are at almost zero risk so school closings are stupid.

And as for your last paragraph, he's responsible for all 200k deaths just like Joe says, amirite?

 

[L.T. Fan]

He deserves every bit of rancor right now considering he told our country repeatedly that it was fake, mask wearing was useless, scoffing at those who wanted schools shut down. Sorry not sorry. He needs to own it.

Do I want him to die from it? No. But if I were someone who lost loved ones because he was irresponsible and careless, I probably would.

Where did you ever hear that Trump referred to the virus as fake?

 

[Rev]

Where did you ever hear that Trump referred to the virus as fake?

CNN

 

[boozeman]

 

[Sheik]

Umm... One, he's had several personal friends die from it, so he knows it's not fake. He's also said he's all for masks if one can't social distance. And kids are at almost zero risk so school closings are stupid.

And as for your last paragraph, he's responsible for all 200k deaths just like Joe says, amirite?

Narrative. You have to observe the narrative.

Don’t pay any attention to the fact that Dr. Fauci, under oath, has said that Trump’s actions likely saved 10s of thousands of lives.

Don’t listen to Dr. Birx either. The same Dr. Birx that at the very beginning of the pandemic said, and I quote, “Even if we do everything perfect, 200k people will likely die from this in the United States.”.

Ignore all of the that, because CNN is fair to the POTUS, and they would never try and shape a narrative where the POTUS has the blood of 200k+ on his hands.

It’s not like our country is set up for states to handle these things individually. I blame Trump for not being an evil dictator.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Umm... One, he's had several personal friends die from it, so he knows it's not fake. He's also said he's all for masks if one can't social distance. And kids are at almost zero risk so school closings are stupid.

And as for your last paragraph, he's responsible for all 200k deaths just like Joe says, amirite?

So when he ends up fine with minimal symptoms should we say he was right? This is a dumb argument. You can't shut the country down for a year because of a virus that kills like .1 percent.

 

[Simpleton]

The real issue is that he consistently dismissed it early on as nothing, and then even when the situation became so dire that it was obvious that you couldn't dismiss it anymore, he politicized it and used it to stoke divisions (i.e. masks are unnecessary, states should be opening up in May, and so on).

Because it was mainly hitting "liberal" populations (i.e. major cities) early on he politicized it, as he does everything, insisted that places like Texas, Florida, Arizona and basically the entire south in general didn't need to be shut down, so they opened back up and everything exploded worse over the summer than it had over the first 2-3 months as the virus slowly crept into the less densely populated areas.

 

[Smitty]

The real issue is that he consistently dismissed it early on as nothing, and then even when the situation became so dire that it was obvious that you couldn't dismiss it anymore, he politicized it and used it to stoke divisions (i.e. masks are unnecessary, states should be opening up in May, and so on).

Because it was mainly hitting "liberal" populations (i.e. major cities) early on he politicized it, as he does everything, insisted that places like Texas, Florida, Arizona and basically the entire south in general didn't need to be shut down, so they opened back up and everything exploded worse over the summer than it had over the first 2-3 months as the virus slowly crept into the less densely populated areas.

Things opened back up in NC and we are more or less fine.

I'm not defending the fact that Trump politicizes everything because that's just Trump.

But you are glossing over

Don’t pay any attention to the fact that Dr. Fauci, under oath, has said that Trump’s actions likely saved 10s of thousands of lives.

Don’t listen to Dr. Birx either. The same Dr. Birx that at the very beginning of the pandemic said, and I quote, “Even if we do everything perfect, 200k people will likely die from this in the United States.”.

What could he have DONE differently?

And in part he was right, the shutdowns advocated by some were unnecessary.

Trump's stated that he was "downplaying," because he didn't want to induce a panic. That is at least rational. As it was, we experienced shortages in several key commodities from fear related hoarding.

Every decision is give or take and some are kinda spinning what his reaction was for their own political benefit.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The real issue is that he consistently dismissed it early on as nothing, and then even when the situation became so dire that it was obvious that you couldn't dismiss it anymore, he politicized it and used it to stoke divisions (i.e. masks are unnecessary, states should be opening up in May, and so on).

I think he trusted Xi early on because he thought he had a good relationship with him and Xi wouldn't directly lie to him. Also the WHO was spouting the China line, as we know.

He wasn't the one telling New Yorkers to go party like normal or San Franciscans to go to the Chinese parade.

And don't forget early on it was Fauci and the Surgeon General who were saying masks were useless or even worse.

Because it was mainly hitting "liberal" populations (i.e. major cities) early on he politicized it, as he does everything, insisted that places like Texas, Florida, Arizona and basically the entire south in general didn't need to be shut down, so they opened back up and everything exploded worse over the summer than it had over the first 2-3 months as the virus slowly crept into the less densely populated areas.

I thought we all knew that locking everything down doesn't stop the virus, it just delays it. It's basically going to pass through everyplace eventually, it's just a matter of when. Some of those Euro countries who got so much praise a few months ago are now seeing spikes as they re-open.

I also want to know exactly what he should have done so differently. Every western country has has basically the same result, with us about in the middle. Did every single leader botch it? Or is this just a virus we have very little control over?

I still think Sweden got it right by not locking everything down. Major credit to them for having the guts to think for themselves and not just follow the herd.

 

[bbgun]

He deserves some time in the woodshed, but he never said masks were useless. He wouldn't have invited that MyPillow CEO to the White House if that were the case. He just doesn't wear one himself often enough (to his regret, I'm sure).

 

[Simpleton]

Things opened back up in NC and we are more or less fine.

I'm not defending the fact that Trump politicizes everything because that's just Trump.

But you are glossing over



What could he have DONE differently?

And in part he was right, the shutdowns advocated by some were unnecessary.

Trump's stated that he was "downplaying," because he didn't want to induce a panic. That is at least rational. As it was, we experienced shortages in several key commodities from fear related hoarding.

Every decision is give or take and some are kinda spinning what his reaction was for their own political benefit.

And you're glossing over the impact of him politicizing common sense shit for his own gain. Yes, there was confusion early on about masks and basically everything else, would you expect anything less in a constantly evolving situation?

But even once it was generally accepted fact that masks were a huge deterrent to the spread of the virus you still had Trump out there dismissing it and riling people up that their freedoms were being taken away. You still had him dismissing the virus at every turn as "nearly over" or "we're rounding the last curve" and so forth.

That kind of stuff matters from the President, even if it's "just him being him".

 

[Simpleton]

I think he trusted Xi early on because he thought he had a good relationship with him and Xi wouldn't directly lie to him. Also the WHO was spouting the China line, as we know.

He wasn't the one telling New Yorkers to go party like normal or San Franciscans to go to the Chinese parade.

And don't forget early on it was Fauci and the Surgeon General who were saying masks were useless or even worse.

I thought we all knew that locking everything down doesn't stop the virus, it just delays it. It's basically going to pass through everyplace eventually, it's just a matter of when. Some of those Euro countries who got so much praise a few months ago are now seeing spikes as they re-open.

I also want to know exactly what he should have done so differently. Every western country has has basically the same result, with us about in the middle. Did every single leader botch it? Or is this just a virus we have very little control over?

I still think Sweden got it right by not locking everything down. Major credit to them for having the guts to think for themselves and not just follow the herd.

And only a real dumbass who has a hard on for authoritarian despots would take an autocrat like Xi at his word, especially when you consider that they may be our chief geopolitical opponent at this point in time.

Aside from that, I agree that the virus by nature is just extremely hard to contain and straight up shutting everything down forever is clearly not viable. But literally 3 days ago at the debate you had Trump mocking Biden about wearing a mask, just a month ago you had Trump accepting the nomination in front of the White House with hundreds of people not wearing masks, along with countless other gatherings sponsored by the Trump administration or his campaign where people weren't wearing masks and were in close quarters.

A real leader just doesn't do shit like that in this type of a situation, whether or not his followers think it's funny or whatever other nonsensical shit.

And yea, I would say that it's been botched considering that we have about 5% of the world's population but 20% of the cases and 20% of the deaths. Maybe if you want to factor in China's fake numbers you can bump those numbers down to 15% and 15% but either way we clearly have significantly more than our proportional share of cases/deaths based on our population.

The vast majority of Europe isn't in that same boat where you're talking 3X+ what your expected proportion of deaths/cases would be.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And only a real dumbass who has a hard on for authoritarian despots would take an autocrat like Xi at his word

Trump has been harder on China than any president in decades. The other party has been much more cozy with them.

The part about loving dictators makes me think it's not worth responding to the rest of the post. Let me guess, he's a Putin agent, right?

 

[Smitty]

I wouldn't say it's been botched.

Americans simply never were gonna wear masks or socially distance or shut down, its not in their DNA despite whatever Trump said or did not say.

As we can see from good old Governor Wolf there in PA basically mocking wearing a mask as well. He's a Democrat through and through. Or Nanci Pelosi getting caught out in public not wearing one.... total hypocrisy, and what kind of message does that send? Clearly it sends the message that its ok to go out in public and solicit in person services without a mask.

So I'm not really convinced Trump mocking the virus had the effect that is being claimed; other than hurting feelings.

He's unpresidential, got it, acknowledged, but somehow I doubt that was gonna change your vote for or against him anyway. The rest of your assertions are baseless.

 

[Simpleton]

Trump has been harder on China than any president in decades. The other party has been much more cozy with them.

The part about loving dictators makes me think it's not worth responding to the rest of the post. Let me guess, he's a Putin agent, right?

Yea, he's been so hard on China that he basically begged for his help to get re-elected.