President Trump Thread...

[Genghis Khan]

I wouldn't say it's been botched.

Americans simply never were gonna wear masks or socially distance or shut down, its not in their DNA despite whatever Trump said or did not say.

As we can see from good old Governor Wolf there in PA basically mocking wearing a mask as well. He's a Democrat through and through. Or Nanci Pelosi getting caught out in public not wearing one.... total hypocrisy, and what kind of message does that send? Clearly it sends the message that its ok to go out in public and solicit in person services without a mask.

So I'm not really convinced Trump mocking the virus had the effect that is being claimed; other than hurting feelings.

He's unpresidential, got it, acknowledged, but somehow I doubt that was gonna change your vote for or against him anyway. The rest of your assertions are baseless.

Diane Feinstein, too, who urged airports to issue mandatory masks but didn't wear one herself.

Feinstein spotted without mask at Dulles Airport despite calls for 'mandatory' policy

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., was spotted without a mask at Dulles International Airport.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Smitty]

Yea, he's been so hard on China that he basically begged for his help to get re-elected.

Come on, man.

You are just being silly now.

You are smarter than this.... falling for conspiracy theories is so foolish.

 

[Smitty]

And Trump accepting a nomination in front of a crowd with lots of people not wearing masks?

Come on.

BLM protests man.

Easy counterpoint.

 

[Simpleton]

Come on, man.

You are just being silly now.

You are smarter than this.... falling for conspiracy theories is so foolish.

That came from his own national security adviser, but let me guess, Bolton just turned into a complete loon the minute he left Trump's orbit and every word he utters is meaningless as long as Great Leader decrees it so.

 

[Simpleton]

And Trump accepting a nomination in front of a crowd with lots of people not wearing masks?

Come on.

BLM protests man.

Easy counterpoint.

Cool, cool, so we're going to hold the President to the same standard as random protesters.

 

[Smitty]

That came from his own national security adviser, but let me guess, Bolton just turned into a complete loon the minute he left Trump's orbit and every word he utters is meaningless as long as Great Leader decrees it so.

A loon?

No, he's he's a Bush era war hawk who is unhappy with Trump's foreign policy and more closely aligns himself with Hillary Clinton's.

You know, you were kinda a Ron Paul guy, no? He wouldn't give any credence to Bolton either.

Of course Bolton is gonna say we are too soft on China and Russia. It serves his geopolitical perspective of perpetual war.

 

[Simpleton]

A loon?

No, he's he's a Bush era war hawk who is unhappy with Trump's foreign policy and more closely aligns himself with Hillary Clinton's.

You know, you were kinda a Ron Paul guy, no? He wouldn't give any credence to Bolton either.

I'm not saying Bolton is some paragon of public policy, but at some point when multiple influential people in Trump's administration come out and basically call him an idiot, antithetical to what this country stands for, etc., you have to start believing them and not the guy who will say anything to save face.

I mean, John Bolton, James Mattis, Rex Tillerson, and so forth aren't exactly the type of people who watch CNN.

 

[Smitty]

Cool, cool, so we're going to hold the President to the same standard as random protesters.

We're not comparing the President to protestors, we are talking about the impact of a politician's words and actions on his voter base.

And Biden clearly supporting BLM protests has had the same effect as the President's rhetoric.

So.... GSM

 

[Genghis Khan]

Come on, man.

You are just being silly now.

You are smarter than this.... falling for conspiracy theories is so foolish.

 

[Simpleton]

We're not comparing the President to protestors, we are talking about the impact of a politician's words and actions on his voter base.

And Biden clearly supporting BLM protests has had the same effect as the President's rhetoric.

So.... GSM

That's a pretty nice leap in logic.

Equating supporting protesters (and I guess by extension those who protested mask less?), a basic American right, and actively mocking and even vilifying one of the most basic ways to deter a pandemic that is unanimously agreed upon by your own public health agencies.

Awesome.

 

[Simpleton]

And even if you don't want to believe or agree with Bolton, calling it a conspiracy theory is completely preposterous. He was the guys national security adviser for over a year.

 

[Smitty]

I'm not saying Bolton is some paragon of public policy, but at some point when multiple influential people in Trump's administration come out and basically call him an idiot, antithetical to what this country stands for, etc., you have to start believing them and not the guy who will say anything to save face.

I mean, John Bolton, James Mattis, Rex Tillerson, and so forth aren't exactly the type of people who watch CNN.

Well Bolton and others like him are the career politicians who a person like Ron Paul would have said needs to be ousted and their voices need to be ignored. Bolton has turned on Trump because he's bitter that his (Bolton's) life's work is the military industrial complex and yes, Trump has shunned that. He has spurned Bolton's advice on continuing to involve ourselves in overseas nation building.

Mattis is a general and almost certainly falls into the same boat.

On the other hand, you are right, that Trump is, for lack of a better word, an IDIOT about some of these things. This is partially due to the fact that he's not a career politician and doesn't have the experience of maneuvering these disagreements, and partially due to the fact that he's also not tremendously smart. He doesn't understand why he can't saddle up to Kim Jong Un and say, "Kim, baby, you like babes and speedboats, here, watch this video about America, if you drop your nuke program I'll have a Trump hotel in Pyongyang by 2025!" He's a schmoozer and a deal maker, but it falls far short of what you are accusing him of.

But the truth is nuanced and not as simple as "He begged China for re-election help." That isn't true at all, really. He did some things that BOLTON considers improper.... or at least is willing to say for political gain that he considers improper.

 

[Smitty]

That's a pretty nice leap in logic.

Equating supporting protesters (and I guess by extension those who protested mask less?), a basic American right, and actively mocking and even vilifying one of the most basic ways to deter a pandemic that is unanimously agreed upon by your own public health agencies.

Awesome.

But not wearing a mask, running your business, and gathering in public are also basic American rights.

You are being dishonest or ignorant here.

Biden encouraged these types of Constitutionally protected protest gatherings, knowing full well that it's engagers would be flaunting both mask-wearing and social distancing COVID guidelines, which would lead to more infections and death. He knew this the exact same way you say Trump knew it. And yet he never, EVER said "Don't protest, it will cause more infections." He didn't say that because even though it was true, it was not politically feasible for him to say Don't Protest.

Trump said "This isn't a big enough deal that you should have to violate your freedom of assembly, or lose your business, or have a dress code enforced on you."

All pretty equal things, really.

 

[Simpleton]

Well Bolton and others like him are the career politicians who a person like Ron Paul would have said needs to be ousted and their voices need to be ignored. Bolton has turned on Trump because he's bitter that his (Bolton's) life's work is the military industrial complex and yes, Trump has shunned that. He has spurned Bolton's advice on continuing to involve ourselves in overseas nation building.

Mattis is a general and almost certainly falls into the same boat.

On the other hand, you are right, that Trump is, for lack of a better word, an IDIOT about some of these things. This is partially due to the fact that he's not a career politician and doesn't have the experience of maneuvering these disagreements, and partially due to the fact that he's also not tremendously smart. He doesn't understand why he can't saddle up to Kim Jong Un and say, "Kim, baby, you like babes and speedboats, here, watch this video about America, if you drop your nuke program I'll have a Trump hotel in Pyongyang by 2025!" He's a schmoozer and a deal maker, but it falls far short of what you are accusing him of.

But the truth is nuanced and not as simple as "He begged China for re-election help." That isn't true at all, really. He did some things that BOLTON considers improper.... or at least is willing to say for political gain that he considers improper.

I don't see how this is someone you'd want as President based on this description.

 

[Smitty]

And even if you don't want to believe or agree with Bolton, calling it a conspiracy theory is completely preposterous. He was the guys national security adviser for over a year.

There is zero evidence, none, that there is anything untoward happening between Trump and China.

 

[bbgun]

Biden encouraged these types of Constitutionally protected protest gatherings, knowing full well that it's engagers would be flaunting both mask-wearing and social distancing COVID guidelines, which would lead to more infections and death.

Forget Biden. Public health professionals did the very same thing, forfeiting their credibility in the process. Everything is hopelessly politicized these days, and science is no exception.

 

[Smitty]

I don't see how this is someone you'd want as President based on this description.

Well, people were tired of career politicians like Clinton (and Bush, and Bolton) and that's why Trump won.

No one is telling you that you have to vote for him. I responded to this thread on the basis of you saying

a) that Trump begged China for election help. That's just not true.

b) that Trump botched the Coronavirus response, but that is kinda rebutted at least in part by the actions of every other politician, including his opponent in the general election whose response was equally faulty.

For my part, I don't blame Biden for causing worsening pandemic results because he didn't tell protestors to stand down. I blame Biden for being a moron for encouraging protests where it was obvious that violence was being under-reported and a disproportionate amount of innocents were becoming victims without any calls from his party to reform the protests.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Trump didn't get covid from not wearing a mask during an outdoor rally. He got covid from close, extended contact with a person in his inner circle -- same way most people do. Also where most people aren't wearing masks.

Which is one reason the harsh lockdowns are a bad idea. Most people get the disease from family members or friends, not passing by someone at Target.

Also, China very much wants Biden to win, not Trump. That should be obvious. Which one has said for decades that China was a threat, and which one said China's rise as a global power was a great thing?

 

[bbgun]

this is a prominent person in the DNC, not some nut in his basement

 

[L.T. Fan]

That came from his own national security adviser, but let me guess, Bolton just turned into a complete loon the minute he left Trump's orbit and every word he utters is meaningless as long as Great Leader decrees it so.

Well sour grapes dialogue rarely has any sweet words in them. Bolton was promoted by Trump but at some point he failed to do the job that he was expected to do and got himself fired because he wasn’t following the mandates of his superior. He had his own agenda and it caught up to him.