President Trump Thread (Part 2)

Plan9Misfit

Appreciate The Hate
Joined
Apr 7, 2013
Messages
7,368

I'm interested in seeing how this all shakes out. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to know enough about economics to predict anything, but you'd be hard pressed to find any conservative in favor of tariffs pre-Trump. For example, the Pauls, whom some here revere, they hate them.
Tariffs are fucking evil. And seeing that he never rolled back the tariffs he put in place in his first term (which helped accelerate inflation), this will be fucking disastrous for the economy. His bullshit tax plan has already raised taxes on nearly everyone in the middle class, and this will only make matters worse.
 

Cowboysrock55

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Apr 7, 2013
Messages
59,455
Tariffs are fucking evil. And seeing that he never rolled back the tariffs he put in place in his first term (which helped accelerate inflation), this will be fucking disastrous for the economy. His bullshit tax plan has already raised taxes on nearly everyone in the middle class, and this will only make matters worse.
I don't know about disastrous. Can only really wait and see how it plays out. People are so panicky in the short term. He can roll back tariffs at the drop of a hat if he wanted to.

I agree tariffs are fucking evil. The tariffs Europe puts on our agriculture for example are evil as well. I'm hoping these tariffs will force other countries to the table to clear the slates. But who the hell knows.

Meanwhile I don't really want the Fed to drop interest rates. I don't care about the stock market personally although I guess I feel for someone who is retiring tomorrow and has less to retire with.
 

Plan9Misfit

Appreciate The Hate
Joined
Apr 7, 2013
Messages
7,368
I don't know about disastrous. Can only really wait and see how it plays out. People are so panicky in the short term. He can roll back tariffs at the drop of a hat if he wanted to.

I agree tariffs are fucking evil. The tariffs Europe puts on our agriculture for example are evil as well. I'm hoping these tariffs will force other countries to the table to clear the slates. But who the hell knows.

Meanwhile I don't really want the Fed to drop interest rates. I don't care about the stock market personally although I guess I feel for someone who is retiring tomorrow and has less to retire with.
If the tariffs are around long enough, interest rates will actually rise, not drop, because the tariffs will cause massive inflation, so rates will rise as a means of attempting to cool the economy down because of the rising price levels. That will result in stagflation, and the orange idiot doesn’t seem to grasp that. I don’t believe a god damned word he says about this because he lies about nearly everything else.
 

Cowboysrock55

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Apr 7, 2013
Messages
59,455
If the tariffs are around long enough, interest rates will actually rise, not drop, because the tariffs will cause massive inflation, so rates will rise as a means of attempting to cool the economy down because of the rising price levels. That will result in stagflation, and the orange idiot doesn’t seem to grasp that. I don’t believe a god damned word he says about this because he lies about nearly everything else.
It puts the fed in a weird bind. They could lower interest to help the economy and investment in the US. But they have to balance that with inflation. My guess is the Fed will just hold steady and actually see how thing go. In the mean time the countries that will really see the pinch are the ones who are surplus countries. They suddenly will have goods they can't sell. Which is why it should be very effective as a negotiating tool.
 

roughneck266

DCC 4Life
Joined
Dec 29, 2020
Messages
2,816
It puts the fed in a weird bind. They could lower interest to help the economy and investment in the US. But they have to balance that with inflation. My guess is the Fed will just hold steady and actually see how thing go. In the mean time the countries that will really see the pinch are the ones who are surplus countries. They suddenly will have goods they can't sell. Which is why it should be very effective as a negotiating tool.
Thats the part I think many are overlooking in all this. I believe this is all just for negotiations. I see alot of people that seem to look at the tariffs as a permanent thing. I don't believe that was ever the intention. I mean if he had gone to each of these countries and said, "hey I want to renegotiate our deal" each of them would have just basically laughed it off. Now that he has shown there is a substantial loos involved if they don't, my guess is most if not all will be happy to sit down and talk it out.
 

Cowboysrock55

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Apr 7, 2013
Messages
59,455
Thats the part I think many are overlooking in all this. I believe this is all just for negotiations. I see alot of people that seem to look at the tariffs as a permanent thing. I don't believe that was ever the intention. I mean if he had gone to each of these countries and said, "hey I want to renegotiate our deal" each of them would have just basically laughed it off. Now that he has shown there is a substantial loos involved if they don't, my guess is most if not all will be happy to sit down and talk it out.
Well and the fact remains a trade war will hurt the other countries more than it will hurt us. He is leveraging that.
 

Cujo

“I've eaten a lot of raccoons."
Joined
Apr 7, 2013
Messages
5,618
Top Bottom