Kelvin Joseph "Person of Interest" in a Murder Investigation

[Simpleton]

At this stage, it is not looking good, so we better start getting familiar with middle round corners.

I just hope to God this doesn't set off some trigger that we need a corner.

We might "need" one but and Lewis were damn durable. We are talking about our fourth corner here.

He needs to be cut. I don't give a shit about due process.

We cannot have thug-life players in Dallas. Not now. It worked back in the days of The White House, but if there was the internet back then, things would have been different.

I just don't get how the leadership doesn't understand the effect of being a Cowboy.

Honestly, I am starting to resent it a bit. The organizational arrogance back in the day was awesome. We earned it.

Now? Feh.

Moreover, I just am not very certain about the organizational structure right now.

Jones is in full Alzheimer's bloom, Goof Son is still thinking he is smart because he is rich.

Dalrymple is gone. Vital retired.

I don't see any progress from the franchise this offseason.

It has just been lost.

Yea we don't need a CB by any stretch of the imagination, I didn't think we needed one high last year and we sure as shit don't need one high now. Surtain was a BPA play, other than that I didn't think we needed to go CB in the first 2 rounds if it didn't fall that way.

But we damn sure don't need to be pushing for one now though, Diggs is a bona fide stud, even if a high risk/high reward type, Brown is an average to slightly above average starter who has slot versatility, and Lewis is a really solid slot/CB3.

Just take a guy in the 4th, or ideally with one of our multitude of 5th's, and let them compete with our other CB reach in last year's draft class for the CB4 spot.

Somehow I feel like we'll be able to survive with Diggs/Brown/Lewis/3rd rounder in Wright/4th-5th rounder from this class.

 

[bbgun]

I get the joke, but the real issue here is that this is not a troubled youth.

His history basically says he is simply a dumb ass.

He is a 2nd round pick of the Dallas Cowboys.

We was handed basically a million dollars with his rookie contract.

Here he is a year later hanging out like a delinquent with his buddies in a shitty area of town.

I realize it is frowned upon these days to call a thug, a thug,...but here we are.

I don't think Jerry gives up on him, even if suspended. Sunk cost and all that. Plus he likes to redeem people.

 

[boozeman]

Yea we don't need a CB by any stretch of the imagination, I didn't think we needed one high last year and we sure as shit don't need one high now. Surtain was a BPA play, other than that I didn't think we needed to go CB in the first 2 rounds if it didn't fall that way.

But we damn sure don't need to be pushing for one now though, Diggs is a bona fide stud, even if a high risk/high reward type, Brown is an average to slightly above average starter who has slot versatility, and Lewis is a really solid slot/CB3.

Just take a guy in the 4th, or ideally with one of our multitude of 5th's, and let them compete with our other CB reach in last year's draft class for the CB4 spot.

Somehow I feel like we'll be able to survive with Diggs/Brown/Lewis/3rd rounder in Wright/4th-5th rounder from this class.

I agree. The only thing that bugs me is that both Brown and Lewis were horses.

No injuries. No COVID.

And Nahshon was a massive reach.

 

[Simpleton]

I get the joke, but the real issue here is that this is not a troubled youth.

His history basically says he is simply a dumb ass.

He is a 2nd round pick of the Dallas Cowboys.

We was handed basically a million dollars with his rookie contract.

Here he is a year later hanging out like a delinquent with his buddies in a shitty area of town.

I realize it is frowned upon these days to call a thug, a thug,...but here we are.

In a sane organization McClay might be on thin ice.

Everybody knew about Joseph's red flags coming out and it's not like he was such an undeniable talent that getting him in the 2nd was a potential huge steal if he got his shit together. Even if he was completely clean off the field we're still talking about a 2nd round type CB who maybe sneaks into the late 1st.

This wasn't a Randy Gregory, potential top 10 talent-type situation, it was just a pure panic pick by our CB whore front office because the rug got pulled out from them in the 1st.

Part of me wonders if Vital vouched for him during the process last year. I know he supposedly retired in January but it's odd timing.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

In a sane organization McClay might be on thin ice.

Everybody knew about Joseph's red flags coming out and it's not like he was such an undeniable talent that getting him in the 2nd was a potential huge steal if he got his shit together. Even if he was completely clean off the field we're still talking about a 2nd round type CB who maybe sneaks into the late 1st.

This wasn't a Randy Gregory, potential top 10 talent-type situation, it was just a pure panic pick by our CB whore front office because the rug got pulled out from them in the 1st.

Part of me wonders if Vital vouched for him during the process last year. I know he supposedly retired in January but it's odd timing.

In all fairness I wanted Asante Samuel Jr. But we had some fetish about size and arm length. He might not be spectacular but he would be a really good starting corner right now instead of a dude we are worrying about cutting. If you're taking a character risk you better fucking do your homework better than this.

But I'm with you. I still don't prioritize corner. Keep working on the front guys. You have corners and move the safety/corner back to corner. We clearly have the ability to coach up corners. We need to cause havoc up front.

 

[boozeman]

In a sane organization McClay might be on thin ice.

There is a reason why McClay doesn't take a GM job.

He is paid to have zero accountability.

I think he is great at connecting and communicating between the staff and the scouts.

I don't believe he has an eye for talent.

I don't think this is on all on him though.

He is in a tough place. It is pretty clear Quinn stormed in and really established stroke.

I would put this Joseph situation more on him.

McClay again is an intermediary.

And Vital is gone.

Everybody knew about Joseph's red flags coming out and it's not like he was such an undeniable talent that getting him in the 2nd was a potential huge steal if he got his shit together. Even if he was completely clean off the field we're still talking about a 2nd round type CB who maybe sneaks into the late 1st.

So again, was this Quinn? Or McClay?

This wasn't a Randy Gregory, potential top 10 talent-type situation, it was just a pure panic pick by our CB whore front office because the rug got pulled out from them in the 1st.

Exactly.

Part of me wonders if Vital vouched for him during the process last year. I know he supposedly retired in January but it's odd timing.

Vital saying peace out bothers me. I think that will sting.

 

[Simpleton]

In all fairness I wanted Asante Samuel Jr. But we had some fetish about size and arm length. He might not be spectacular but he would be a really good starting corner right now instead of a dude we are worrying about cutting. If you're taking a character risk you better fucking do your homework better than this.

But I'm with you. I still don't prioritize corner. Keep working in the front guys. You have corners and move the safety/corner back to corner. Ee clearly have the ability to coach up corners. We need to cause havoc up front.

Samuel would've been fine, I would've either slightly traded up for Moehrig or taken Ojulari if we sat still, but Samuel would've been a perfectly reasonable, solid pick.

I didn't really want a CB but at least Samuel was a legit 2nd rounder with no red flags, rolling the fucking dice on a CB who basically only played one year was just completely idiotic.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

If they panic and draft fucking Booth I'm going to be pissed.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Samuel would've been fine, I would've either slightly traded up for Moehrig or taken Ojulari if we sat still, but Samuel would've been a perfectly reasonable, solid pick.

I didn't really want a CB but at least Samuel was a legit 2nd rounder with no red flags, rolling the fucking dice on a CB who basically only played one year was just completely idiotic.

Yeah I wanted a corner. And Brown still has his games where he is abused like a child playing against men but most games he is pretty solid.

But we drafted 3 corners last year. Quinn needs to figure out a way to work with that. We can't dump more picks into the position only a year later. A fifth sure. But I'm not giving a Sam Williams type pass rusher for another bullshit corner pick. If Quinn is there pounding the table for another corner he wants instead of a WR, TE or Olineman I tell him to sit his ass down and work with what you got us to pick last year.

 

[Simpleton]

There is a reason why McClay doesn't take a GM job.

He is paid to have zero accountability.

I think he is great at connecting and communicating between the staff and the scouts.

I don't believe he has an eye for talent.

I don't think this is on all on him though.

He is in a tough place. It is pretty clear Quinn stormed in and really established stroke.

I would put this Joseph situation more on him.

McClay again is an intermediary.

And Vital is gone.

So again, was this Quinn? Or McClay?

It's hard to tell whether it was Quinn or McClay, the reach on Wright who more fits Quinn's mold makes me think it was more of a group/FO pick than Quinn just standing on a table for a guy. They all deserve blame to some extent, but it's the job of the scouts to flesh out the character type stuff so McClay and the scouts definitely deserve a good amount of blame.

I think McClay is fine as an evaluator, not amazing, probably slightly better than average, but his value is more in what he represents to the dumbass hillbilly owners. They trust him for whatever reason and he elevates the voices of the scouts while bringing some measure of sanity to the process in terms of connecting the scouts to what the coaches want in terms of scheme.

He's definitely done more good than harm, but this Joseph thing is a huge black mark. For him and the scouts personally, because of the background/character stuff like I mentioned, as well as the organization as a whole for passing up a safer, and arguably more talented CB in Samuel, not to mention a multitude of other guys who were at least as talented but clean off the field (Moehrig, Ojulari, Owusu-Koramoah, Ossai, etc.).

 

[Simpleton]

And I realize Moehrig went before we picked but all we had to do was give up like a 6th to move up 2 spots for him and didn't, so he goes on the list.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It's hard to tell whether it was Quinn or McClay,

If I remember correctly Quinn went and met with him personally at Kentucky. So I lay the blame at his feet. I like McClay, he misses some but in general we still draft better than most. Hell, it's not even the end of the world to miss on a second rounder. But to miss in epic proportions where a guy never even plays meaningful downs because of off the field stuff is a real problem. You need to be able to look into a guys background better than that.

I guess maybe Bossman turns this thing around somehow but right now it doesn't look great.

 

[Simpleton]

If I remember correctly Quinn went and met with him personally at Kentucky. So I lay the blame at his feet. I like McClay, he misses some but in general we still draft better than most. Hell, it's not even the end of the world to miss on a second rounder. But to miss in epic proportions where a guy never even plays meaningful downs because of off the field stuff is a real problem. You need to be able to look into a guys background better than that.

I guess maybe Bossman turns this thing around somehow but right now it doesn't look great.

Yea it's impossible to say who really stood on the table for him, either way it's the scouts who are responsible for the character/background stuff and they either missed on that or didn't argue enough against spending a 2nd on him. Maybe Quinn really argued for him and won out, but who knows?

As far as what to do this year, just take Tariq Castro-Fields in the 5th.

Problem solved, Jerry can Venmo me $50K for saving the scouts the trouble.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yea it's impossible to say who really stood on the table for him, either way it's the scouts who are responsible for the character/background stuff and they either missed on that or didn't argue enough against spending a 2nd on him. Maybe Quinn really argued for him and won out, but who knows?

As far as what to do this year, just take Tariq Castro-Fields in the 5th.

Problem solved, Jerry can Venmo me $50K for saving the scouts the trouble.

Shit I haven't paid much attention to corner to even give you a name. I guess Coby Bryant would be my pick if he was still around in the fifth. Most don't realize it but he is the Cincy corner who won the Thorpe award, not Sauce. Of course Woolen has Quinn written all over him.

McCollum is another guy. Great athlete and size who played at Sam Houston State. He only went there because his twin brother did. Otherwise I think he ends up at a real school and is a much higher prospect.

 

[Simpleton]

Shit I haven't paid much attention to corner to even give you a name. I guess Coby Bryant would be my pick if he was still around in the fifth. Most don't realize it but he is the Cincy corner who won the Thorpe award, not Sauce. Of course Woolen has Quinn written all over him.

McCollum is another guy. Great athlete and size who played at Sam Houston State. He only went there because his twin brother did. Otherwise I think he ends up at a real school and is a much higher prospect.

If Bryant is there in the 4th I'd snap him up in a minute because he'd almost certainly be the BPA. Same with Woolen, don't know much about McCollum.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

If Bryant is there in the 4th I'd snap him up in a minute because he'd almost certainly be the BPA. Same with Woolen, don't know much about McCollum.

McCollum from the beast

STRENGTHS: Impressive size-speed athlete with “wow” testing numbers, moves with the footwork and body twitch to pattern match refined route runners … relies on a secondary burst to undercut routes or regain his phase … shows little strain carrying vertical speed on go routes … applies his coaching and reacts without
hesitation because he trusts his reads and process … owns a playmaking résumé with 54 passes defended and 13 interceptions (second most in school history) in his
career … physical downhill tackler and plays to his help, spilling runs back inside … experienced on punt coverage and should be a ready-made NFL gunner … two-time
team captain, who is always smiling and very comfortable in his own skin … logged snaps at corner (inside and outside) and safety (box and deep) in college.

WEAKNESSES: Too easy for him to lose his balance mid-pedal … will need to tighten up his technique timing against NFL speed … still learning how to fine-tune his
keys from off-coverage … aggressive tendencies in coverage, leaving him susceptible to pumps and route fakes … not shy getting handsy downfield (had a pair of pass￾interference penalties on 2021 tapes studied) … lean lowers and can add more weight to his frame … will leave his feet prematurely and shows reckless tendencies as a tackler … didn’t face top-tier talent in college with only one FBS opponent (New Mexico) on Sam Houston State’s schedule the last five seasons … missed time as a junior after suffering a TLC tear in his right wrist (October 2019).

SUMMARY: A five-year starter at Sam Houston State, McCollum played primarily outside in defensive coordinator Clayton Carlin’s man-heavy scheme, seeing snaps
at cornerback and safety. He helped the Bearkats win the 2020 FCS national championship and will go down as one of the most prolific defenders in school history, finishing No. 9 all time in the FCS with 54 career passes defended. McCollum has a rare résumé with his testing athleticism and ball-hawking production (led the team in interceptions four of his five years in college), albeit at the FCS level. Although he will lose phase at times, he is a confident man-to-man corner with the recovery skills to get back into position and disrupt the catch point. Overall, McCollum faces a learning curve as he adapts his timing and technique to NFL speed, but his athletic traits and mental processing ability make him an attractive developmental prospect. He is an NFL-ready gunner with versatile starting upside on defense.

GRADE: 3rd-4th Round

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't blame Quinn or McClay for Bossman. The team was desperate for a corner after missing the first round and he was about the last one of their top tier left so they grabbed him and looked the other way on the character stuff. (Shouldn't getting kicked off LSU be a big enough red flag in itself?) And the risky second round has been a Jerry staple forever now.

But as we know, this is why you never put yourself in a bind and force yourself to draft a position for need. Good thing we haven't done anything like that this year.

 

[boozeman]

And I realize Moehrig went before we picked but all we had to do was give up like a 6th to move up 2 spots for him and didn't, so he goes on the list.

The art of the trade is something we just don’t have the capacity to execute.

 

[p1_]

Yes she was.

Til DeNiro shot her ass

 

[boozeman]

He even dresses like an idiot.