Jamal Adams Requests Trade

[Stasheroo]

And that could be but it's not just last year.

No, it's 2017 and 2019, the years when they left things up to Old Man River regarding who they drafted. With disastrous results both times.

 

[p1_]

niners at play now

 

[Smitty]

I am not saying you have to hide Adams, just that what we have been pining for is not necessarily his strengths.

And he is not prime Brian Dawkins or Troy Polamalu either.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I am not saying you have to hide Adams, just that what we have been pining for is not necessarily his strengths.

And he is not prime Brian Dawkins or Troy Polamalu either.

I think he could be Dawkins in his prime. You're under selling Adams in my opinion. Adams is probably the best player on the Jets.

 

[data]

Man, there’s a lot of pressure already built up for whoever our 1st rounder is next year.

 

[Simpleton]

I am not saying you have to hide Adams, just that what we have been pining for is not necessarily his strengths.

And he is not prime Brian Dawkins or Troy Polamalu either.

He easily could be. His ability as a blitzer is rare, there is an argument to be made that he could go down as the most prolific blitzing safety ever.

Dawkins had 26 sacks in like 15 years, Polamalu had 12 in 11 years, Adams has 12 in 3 years. It's not a stretch to say you could be looking at a safety with 40-50 sacks if he plays 10-12 years, which is basically unprecedented.

Dawkins had 28 FF's, Polamalu had 14, Adams has 6 in just 3 years. He also racks up TFL's and PD's, the only thing he's missing statistically are the interceptions but subjectively if you watch him you can see he is excellent in the short to intermediate in coverage, particularly when matched up with TE's.

Just because the guy isn't going to be Ed Reed and play single-high doesn't mean he isn't elite. I'd happily pay the price for a generational box safety who can also handle TE's out of the slot and RB's out of the backfield with ease.

Barring injury the guy is pretty much a lock to either be 1st or 2nd team All-Decade 10 years from now.

If I were a team like Philadelphia or Baltimore it'd be really difficult for me to give up the draft picks plus make him the highest paid safety in the league. Baltimore has several big contracts in their secondary and the Eagles just made Slay like the highest paid CB in the league, it'd be an unbalanced allocation of resources. Our roster on the other hand has basically nothing invested in the secondary, financially speaking.

 

[NoDak]

He easily could be. His ability as a blitzer is rare, there is an argument to be made that he could go down as the most prolific blitzing safety ever.

Dawkins had 26 sacks in like 15 years, Polamalu had 12 in 11 years, Adams has 12 in 3 years. It's not a stretch to say you could be looking at a safety with 40-50 sacks if he plays 10-12 years, which is basically unprecedented.

I seriously doubt he'll approach those numbers of sacks as he gets older. But even if he maintains his early pace for a while, I'd rather not pay a first rounder plus for 3-4 sacks a year. He's a good safety, no doubt. But he's not a game changer. And that's only what I'd consider giving up that much scratch for. Especially considering he's going to be wanting a break the bank contract on top of it.

 

[mcnuttz]

I seriously doubt he'll approach those numbers of sacks as he gets older. But even if he maintains his early pace for a while, I'd rather not pay a first rounder plus for 3-4 sacks a year. He's a good safety, no doubt. But he's not a game changer. And that's only what I'd consider giving up that much scratch for. Especially considering he's going to be wanting a break the bank contract on top of it.

I don't want to spend the pick or the money.

We could, at some point, get that free safety early in the draft.

10 years ago we were lamenting the fact that Dallas hadn't taken OL in the 1st in like 20 years.

Also Donovan Wilson...still can't believe Jeff Heath kept him off the field.

 

[Stasheroo]

I seriously doubt he'll approach those numbers of sacks as he gets older. But even if he maintains his early pace for a while, I'd rather not pay a first rounder plus for 3-4 sacks a year. He's a good safety, no doubt. But he's not a game changer. And that's only what I'd consider giving up that much scratch for. Especially considering he's going to be wanting a break the bank contract on top of it.

Did you happen to watch the Jets vs Giants game last year? He essentially changed that game and won it for the Jets.

 

[Smitty]

He easily could be. His ability as a blitzer is rare, there is an argument to be made that he could go down as the most prolific blitzing safety ever.

Dawkins had 26 sacks in like 15 years, Polamalu had 12 in 11 years, Adams has 12 in 3 years. It's not a stretch to say you could be looking at a safety with 40-50 sacks if he plays 10-12 years, which is basically unprecedented.

Dawkins had 28 FF's, Polamalu had 14, Adams has 6 in just 3 years. He also racks up TFL's and PD's, the only thing he's missing statistically are the interceptions but subjectively if you watch him you can see he is excellent in the short to intermediate in coverage, particularly when matched up with TE's.

Just because the guy isn't going to be Ed Reed and play single-high doesn't mean he isn't elite. I'd happily pay the price for a generational box safety who can also handle TE's out of the slot and RB's out of the backfield with ease.

Barring injury the guy is pretty much a lock to either be 1st or 2nd team All-Decade 10 years from now.

If I were a team like Philadelphia or Baltimore it'd be really difficult for me to give up the draft picks plus make him the highest paid safety in the league. Baltimore has several big contracts in their secondary and the Eagles just made Slay like the highest paid CB in the league, it'd be an unbalanced allocation of resources. Our roster on the other hand has basically nothing invested in the secondary, financially speaking.

He doesn't have the interceptions or coverage skills to match the elite, though. Dawkins averaged like 3-4 interceptions a year, Polamalu had 7 interceptions twice.

Obviously it's early for Adams but he doesn't seem to be that type of difference maker in the passing game. He doesn't have to be Ed Reed but he has to be more than he is for me to want to make him the highest paid safety or give him a massive deal.

 

[NoDak]

Did you happen to watch the Jets vs Giants game last year? He essentially changed that game and won it for the Jets.

So, one game out of his career, against the shitty giants?

oooh. sign me up.

 

[Simpleton]

He doesn't have the interceptions or coverage skills to match the elite, though. Dawkins averaged like 3-4 interceptions a year, Polamalu had 7 interceptions twice.

Obviously it's early for Adams but he doesn't seem to be that type of difference maker in the passing game. He doesn't have to be Ed Reed but he has to be more than he is for me to want to make him the highest paid safety or give him a massive deal.

If you want to say he doesn't have the INT's that's fine, I get it, 2 INT's over 3 years is definitely cause for concern when talking the trade compensation/salary we're talking about. With that said saying he doesn't have the "coverage skills" to be elite is wrong, he's a guy you can throw at elite TE's and absolutely neutralize them.

Part of what intrigues me is the fact that elite teams like KC and SF have their passing games revolve around their TE's in large part and with Adams and LVE I think we'd have two guys who could be thrown at elite TE's like that and take them out of the game to some extent.

There aren't many teams who have one guy who can match up with those types of players, with Adams I think we'd have two.

 

[Smitty]

If you want to say he doesn't have the INT's that's fine, I get it, 2 INT's over 3 years is definitely cause for concern when talking the trade compensation/salary we're talking about. With that said saying he doesn't have the "coverage skills" to be elite is wrong, he's a guy you can throw at elite TE's and absolutely neutralize them.

Part of what intrigues me is the fact that elite teams like KC and SF have their passing games revolve around their TE's in large part and with Adams and LVE I think we'd have two guys who could be thrown at elite TE's like that and take them out of the game to some extent.

There aren't many teams who have one guy who can match up with those types of players, with Adams I think we'd have two.

There is more to coverage skills than blanketing TE's, Byron Jones should have taught us this.

I'm not saying he's a liability, but he's just not a difference maker in coverage, he's good not great. His greatness and what makes him a top safety is all the flowing downhill stuff - sacks, blitzing, run support, sideline to sideline tackling.

He is not great in coverage according to everything I've seen, like a Dawkins definitely was.

 

[NoDak]

If you want to say he doesn't have the INT's that's fine, I get it, 2 INT's over 3 years is definitely cause for concern when talking the trade compensation/salary we're talking about. With that said saying he doesn't have the "coverage skills" to be elite is wrong, he's a guy you can throw at elite TE's and absolutely neutralize them.

This was Byron Jones in a nutshell. And most couldn't wait to see him hit the road.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Smitty]

This was Byron Jones in a nutshell. And most couldn't wait to see him hit the road.

Yeah, I think he's "Byron Jones at safety" in coverage, but plus elite run support and blitzing.

Nah.

Jones made just no plays in coverage, ever. Either at safety or CB.

You don't have to be Ed Reed, but guys like Dawkins were fearsome playmakers on the back end. Breaking up passes, getting INTs, etc. I don't know that I see that from Adams.

 

[Shiningstar]

I think this board is over him. The Jets told everyone it basically wasnt happening and it hasnt with any team unless they choose. So, lets all move on

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah, I think he's "Byron Jones at safety" in coverage, but plus elite run support and blitzing.

Nah.

Jones made just no plays in coverage, ever. Either at safety or CB.

You don't have to be Ed Reed, but guys like Dawkins were fearsome playmakers on the back end. Breaking up passes, getting INTs, etc. I don't know that I see that from Adams.

Byron Jones plus elite run support and blitzing is a perennial All Pro player.

With that said, I'm seeing that Chris Jones is threatening not to play under the tag again and I'd rather give up the compensation/salary for him than Adams even though he'd be about 4-5/year more than Adams.

 

[Stasheroo]

So, one game out of his career, against the shitty giants?

oooh. sign me up.

Refutes the bullshit comment about "not a game changer" anyway.

 

[Stasheroo]

There is more to coverage skills than blanketing TE's, Byron Jones should have taught us this.

I'm not saying he's a liability, but he's just not a difference maker in coverage, he's good not great. His greatness and what makes him a top safety is all the flowing downhill stuff - sacks, blitzing, run support, sideline to sideline tackling.

He is not great in coverage according to everything I've seen, like a Dawkins definitely was.

And there's more to coverage skills than INT's as well. And unlike Byron Jones, Adams is making sacks and forcing fumbles and making negative yardage plays.