Cowboys sign Prescott to a 4 year contract

[boozeman]

 

[data]

Instead of your house poor example, Dan, a better analogy would be overpaying Stephen Smith his exhhorbitant salary so all ESPN could else afford is Dan Orlovsky

 

[mcnuttz]

We do have a subpar defensive roster, and the only way it will benefit this year is to sign the man to a contract.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Do the stats actually bear that out or is it just another dumb shit talking out of his ass as usual?

Because the stats posted above and my own eyeballs tell a different story.

Sorry but Chris frigging Broussard doesn't move the needle for me. These network talking heads are beyond worthless for the most part.

As for his record against winning teams, that's a legit concern. I'd argue that fixing the defense and coaching will go a long way towards rectifying that, but the jury is still out on that.

Yeah you can’t make intelligent decisions about team personnel if you think the QB wins or loses games. That mindset is far to embedded into the system at present. It makes GMs into former GMs and leaves teams in an awkward position of evading the truth about themselves. It’s too easy to credit the QB position with all the glory or grief and not fix the deficient production areas.

 

[ravidubey]

So anyways, Prescott is good enough and deserves a contract. Romo got his money immediately.

Yeah, it's asinine that he's still unsigned.

40 million per year is probably where they are headed. Fuck it. It is what it is.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Dan Orlovsky is Back to Bury Dak Prescott in Favor of Carson Wentz With Weird Statistics

ESPN analyst Dan Orlovsky was back to slamming Dak Prescott in favor of Carson Wentz with meaningless statistics on Tuesday.

www.12up.com

Less than a year ago Orlovsky tried to tell us that Carson Wentz was better than Dak.

This is what I'm talking about with useless talking heads.

And I don't care that he used to play. You lose your credibility when you say dumb things.

 

[Cotton]

Dan Orlovsky is Back to Bury Dak Prescott in Favor of Carson Wentz With Weird Statistics

ESPN analyst Dan Orlovsky was back to slamming Dak Prescott in favor of Carson Wentz with meaningless statistics on Tuesday.

www.12up.com

Less than a year ago Orlovsky tried to tell us that Carson Wentz was better than Dak.

This is what I'm talking about with useless talking heads.

And I don't care that he used to play. You lose your credibility when you say dumb things.

Orlovksy is a moron. He doesn't get as much pub as a Stephen A, but he is just as much of a moron that says just as much moronic things.

 

[Simpleton]

Yep. The net gain isn’t big enough.

Age and draft picks for a small uptick in talent? No thanks. Wilson may be better, but I don’t think the difference is enough for what we’d give up.

I don't think you guys get what I'm saying, in my scenario we aren't able to sign Dak by the tag deadline and if the organization is in a position where they feel they won't be able to get him signed long term then they have to trade him and make explore a move for Wilson.

It's not Dak or Wilson, it's likely losing Dak if we let him play 2021 on the tag or Wilson.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It's not Dak or Wilson, it's likely losing Dak if we let him play 2021 on the tag or Wilson.

If we don't sign Dak it's because we choose not to sign him. This isn't a situation where Dak just doesn't want to play in Dallas.

 

[Simpleton]

If we don't sign Dak it's because we choose not to sign him. This isn't a situation where Dak just doesn't want to play in Dallas.

Whatever the situation is, they can't let him play out 2021 on the tag, it should be a non-starter and if a long term deal isn't in place they need to aggressively pursue trades, both to ship Dak out and also ideally to try to move for Wilson.

 

[bbgun]

Not sure what's in it for Seattle. They'd be getting a not-as-good QB coming off a bad injury who wants to get paid mega-bucks. Conversely, Wilson's contract is very cap friendly. I suspect they'd want a Stafford-like package, with Dak playing the role of Goff. If so, I hope Jerry declines.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Not sure what's in it for Seattle. They'd be getting a not-as-good QB coming off a bad injury who wants to get paid mega-bucks. Conversely, Wilson's contract is very cap friendly. I suspect they'd want a Stafford-like package, with Dak playing the role of Goff. If so, I hope Jerry declines.

Wilson will count 32 mil for them next year. If Dak signs a deal with us for 4 years I bet that cap number next year will be less or similar.

But the kicker in the whole thing is if Seattle trades Wilson they would have a ton of dead cap hit. Which would basically make it nearly impossible for them to work trading him amd adding a veteran QB.

 

[bbgun]

Wilson will count 32 mil for them next year.

Nick Wright said $19M, which sounded comically low.

 

[ravidubey]

If we don't sign Dak it's because we choose not to sign him. This isn't a situation where Dak just doesn't want to play in Dallas.

This is a case of Dak trying to get whatever he can, period, and Dallas having almost no leverage to do a single thing about it.

He doesn’t want to hear how he’s not Mahomes or Watson, those two are old news. Dak can demand literally anything he wants. 45 per year for three years... why not?

He’s at least set to make 37 million guaranteed this year and hit FA in 2022 for a truly monster post-Covid payday. What can Dallas possibly offer that would dissuade him from an insanely high number when there are desperate teams like Chicago drooling for anyone who can play at all?

Worst case scenario is a career ending injury, and when was the last time we saw one of those hit a 27/28 year old QB built like Dak?

There is no rookie team discount, Dak wants to come out of this the league’s highest paid QB and by a wide margin.

 

[NoDak]

Dak wants to come out of this the league’s highest paid QB and by a wide margin.

This is the first I've heard this. Source?

 

[Simpleton]

Wilson will count 32 mil for them next year. If Dak signs a deal with us for 4 years I bet that cap number next year will be less or similar.

But the kicker in the whole thing is if Seattle trades Wilson they would have a ton of dead cap hit. Which would basically make it nearly impossible for them to work trading him amd adding a veteran QB.

The only way we could maybe pry Wilson away is if we offer them about two 1's and probably another two premium picks. We could likely recuperate most of that from a Dak trade but probably not all of it.

The real question is this, would you rather significantly overpay Dak (probably something close to the 45 ravid threw out) or try to flip him (to a team other than Seattle) and a few extra picks on top of that for Wilson?

Because if we let Dak play 2021 on the tag these are our options:

1. Significantly overpay for Dak next year to keep him from testing the market in 2022 since a third tag isn't viable. Let's say ~43-45/year.
2. Trade him at some point between now and this time next year, and either use those picks to move for someone like Wilson, or just start completely over with a rookie.
3. Lose him for a 3rd round comp pick and starting over from scratch.

That's it, those are the options.

If it's me, and assuming I could get let's say at least a 1+2 for Dak, I'd rather send those picks plus let's say another 1, 3 and 4 for Wilson, than pay Dak 43-45/year.

If Dak (and the dumbass Cowboys front office for that matter) could hammer out a simple 4/156 deal then I'd prefer that, but I don't think that's very likely at this point.

 

[mcnuttz]

This is a case of Dak trying to get whatever he can, period, and Dallas having almost no leverage to do a single thing about it.

He doesn’t want to hear how he’s not Mahomes or Watson, those two are old news. Dak can demand literally anything he wants. 45 per year for three years... why not?

He’s at least set to make 37 million guaranteed this year and hit FA in 2022 for a truly monster post-Covid payday. What can Dallas possibly offer that would dissuade him from an insanely high number when there are desperate teams like Chicago drooling for anyone who can play at all?

Worst case scenario is a career ending injury, and when was the last time we saw one of those hit a 27/28 year old QB built like Dak?

There is no rookie team discount, Dak wants to come out of this the league’s highest paid QB and by a wide margin.

I don't believe Dak initially felt this way, but their reluctance to a 3 yr deal's got him and his new agent thinking. Can't blame him but we then have to hope they have a structured fa plan and start nailing the draft. It will be Russell Wilson 2.0 before long.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Nick Wright said $19M, which sounded comically low.

Yeah that's not true at all from what I have seen especially considering the size of the contract he signed going into the second year of the deal.

I think the team who trades for him would only count 19 mil. Because they don't have to deal with the prorated signing bonus. But Russell gets traded and he would want a new deal so that probably goes out the window too. Plus the team giving up all those picks is going to want Russell signing up for more than 3 years.

 

[ravidubey]

I don't believe Dak initially felt this way, but their reluctance to a 3 yr deal's got him and his new agent thinking. Can't blame him but we then have to hope they have a structured fa plan and start nailing the draft. It will be Russell Wilson 2.0 before long.

Yeah, and I don’t think it’s even vindictive.

I think Daks agents are feeding him a steady line of “trust the process” and you’ll come out with the best contract we can get for you and your family.

Dak played his ass off with very little protection (no ones fault) and got really hurt. He’s put in his time, he’s hit every number, every bar, every measure of leadership and off field behavior/image.

Why wouldn’t Dak and his agents use every ounce of leverage to get as big a contract as possible?

As he has openly said, there will be no Giselle discount for him.

 

[Bipo]

What it comes down to is do you want a good QB or not? If you do, then you are going to have to overpay 99% of the time. Other options include rolling the dice in the draft again (comically low odds), and getting by with JAG that accepts your offer. I could see how Jerry Jones goes the JAG path and the incredible Cowboys marketing machine keeps the average fan thinking THIS IS THE YEAR. Money keeps coming in even if the championships don't.