2025 NFL Draft Chatter

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't see how we win another game unless the Giants out-tank us.

Seriously.

 

[Rev]

I don't see how we win another game unless the Giants out-tank us.

Seriously.

Never doubt the Cowboys. They can screw things up pretty easily.

 

[Simpleton]

I don't see how we win another game unless the Giants out-tank us.

Seriously.

Giants and Panthers are both possibilities, I could also see us winning some random game like Tampa or maybe the season finale if the Skins are playing all their backups with nothing to play for.

Tomorrow, on the road against the Eagles/Skins and probably Cincinnati are likely all automatic losses. That'd require us to win all 3 of 4 potentially winnable games, which seems very unlikely when we're already starting to sit players with suspicious injuries.

I feel pretty confident saying we won't win more than 5.

 

[Simpleton]

I just looked it up because why not, and the lowest a team that won 5 games (without a tie) in the last 10 years has picked is 8.

It only happened twice though, so I guess it's possible but it seems pretty unlikely.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

McMillan might be a no brainer if we're at like 9 or some such, hard to tell for sure just yet.

I'm hoping we get up to around 5-6 so it isn't an issue.

I need to watch him. Big receivers scare me a little. But if he is big and explosive I think I'm game. He certainly has impressive numbers.

 

[Simpleton]

I need to watch him. Big receivers scare me a little. But if he is big and explosive I think I'm game. He certainly has impressive numbers.

He looks explosive but I'll be curious to see him run at the Combine, I'm not taking a WR in the top 10 who runs a 4.58 or some such. Ideally he goes off the board before we pick, pushing down someone like Graham.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He looks explosive but I'll be curious to see him run at the Combine, I'm not taking a WR in the top 10 who runs a 4.58 or some such. Ideally he goes off the board before we pick, pushing down someone like Graham.

I mean I've seen plays where he looks like he is pulling away from dudes in the open field but I haven't watched nearly enough of him. I just want some dudes who can separate. You don't usually get that with a bigger guy.

But we need explosiveness on offense. Watching our offense is like watching paint dry. It's small play after small play. And when one negative thing happens it's done. Could be a penalty, could be a negative run or could be a sack. We just don't have that big play ability. Or even ability to make a small play into something big.

 

[Simpleton]

I mean I've seen plays where he looks like he is pulling away from dudes in the open field but I haven't watched nearly enough of him. I just want some dudes who can separate. You don't usually get that with a bigger guy.

But we need explosiveness on offense. Watching our offense is like watching paint dry. It's small play after small play. And when one negative thing happens it's done. Could be a penalty, could be a negative run or could be a sack. We just don't have that big play ability. Or even ability to make a small play into something big.

Yea Lamb can obviously make big plays but teams are focusing their entire defensive gameplans on him with no fear of anybody else doing anything either through the air or on the ground, which is why I'd be open to Hunter or McMillan in the top 10. Ferguson is a really good TE but there are probably only 2-3 TE's in the league who could shift what defenses are doing to us right now.

I don't think we necessarily need to take a WR2 with one of our top picks because adding explosiveness to the running game via Jeanty or someone like Hampton in the 2nd could serve the same purpose in a different way, but if a WR is the clear BPA in the 1st I'd be fine with it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I don't think we necessarily need to take a WR2 with one of our top picks because adding explosiveness to the running game via Jeanty or someone like Hampton in the 2nd could serve the same purpose in a different way, but if a WR is the clear BPA in the 1st I'd be fine with it.

Yeah, I mean I'm hopeful that a RB can fix a lot of what ails this offense. But I also don't think you can live with one offensive passing weapon. Just doesn't seem sustainable. You're basically one injury away from everything falling to pieces on offense. And then against a really good defense that can stop the run and take one weapon away in the passing game, you're also screwed.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Yeah, I mean I'm hopeful that a RB can fix a lot of what ails this offense. But I also don't think you can live with one offensive passing weapon. Just doesn't seem sustainable. You're basically one injury away from everything falling to pieces on offense. And then against a really good defense that can stop the run and take one weapon away in the passing game, you're also screwed.

I do think we need a better WR2, just not a top of the first round guy. A second or even third round guy at the top of the rounds where we'll be should be plenty. (Just not another Tolbert please.)

 

[Simpleton]

My biggest fear is sitting at 5-7ish and taking someone like Will Johnson over Graham. Johnson is absolutely an elite prospect but taking a CB in the top 10 with two Pro Bowl CB's in their 20's on the roster would be...something.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I do think we need a better WR2, just not a top of the first round guy. A second or even third round guy at the top of the rounds where we'll be should be plenty. (Just not another Tolbert please.)

Just kind of feels wrong to see BPA, have a need and then pass because we don't need someone that good.

No one would say, well we don't need that good of a pass rusher because we have Parsons. Just feels like a bad draft strategy.

 

[Simpleton]

Just kind of feels wrong to see BPA, have a need and then pass because we don't need someone that good.

No one would say, well we don't need that good of a pass rusher because we have Parsons. Just feels like a bad draft strategy.

Agreed, that's why I'm trying to figure out where McMillan fits in as BPA, it's tough because there are a bunch of good edge rushers who are somewhat limited for different reasons. That's one of the main things I'll be keeping an eye on as the playoffs start up.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Agreed, that's why I'm trying to figure out where McMillan fits in as BPA, it's tough because there are a bunch of good edge rushers who are somewhat limited for different reasons. That's one of the main things I'll be keeping an eye on as the playoffs start up.

Where does Derrick Harmon fall for you? And Walter Nolan. We need impact dudes upfront bad but I'm saying away from the bigger guys. Those are guys that aren't 330 pounds.

 

[Simpleton]

Where does Derrick Harmon fall for you? And Walter Nolan. We need impact dudes upfront bad but I'm saying away from the bigger guys. Those are guys that aren't 330 pounds.

I've only seen one game from each of them (Ohio St. for Harmon and Georgia for Nolen) and my initial impression was that I liked Harmon more but I need to see a few more games to really have a strong opinion.

Initially I don't think Nolen is a consideration in the top 10 whereas Harmon would be a backup plan, but likely a clear step behind someone like Jeanty, who is already my primary backup if we're in the 8-10 range.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I've only seen one game from each of them (Ohio St. for Harmon and Georgia for Nolen) and my initial impression was that I liked Harmon more but I need to see a few more games to really have a strong opinion.

Initially I don't think Nolen is a consideration in the top 10 whereas Harmon would be a backup plan, but likely a clear step behind someone like Jeanty, who is already my primary backup if we're in the 8-10 range.

I watched one game with Nolan and he was a terror. But it was hard to tell if that was all him or somewhat scheme. Seemed like he was killing it on stunts. But he looked really good moving around. I will say from what I have read that his biggest concern is consistency. He will have games like the one I watched where he takes over. But maybe games I didn't watch that are disappearing acts.

In an ideal world it's Graham. I just think he combines everything you want at DT. But there are a good amount of DTs with potential first round games.

 

[Simpleton]

I watched one game with Nolan and he was a terror. But it was hard to tell if that was all him or somewhat scheme. Seemed like he was killing it on stunts. But he looked really good moving around. I will say from what I have read that his biggest concern is consistency. He will have games like the one I watched where he takes over. But maybe games I didn't watch that are disappearing acts.

In an ideal world it's Graham. I just think he combines everything you want at DT. But there are a good amount of DTs with potential first round games.

Nolen seems like a guy who could be a really good pass-rusher but is overly reliant on his speed/upfield explosiveness, while potentially being average or worse against the run. Harmon on the other hand seems like someone who can collapse the pocket with power and 2-gap against the run, even if he isn't as explosive as Nolen.

They're two of the main ones I'll be keeping an eye on over the next month, along with Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams, Scourton, Malaki Starks and James Pearce. I already pretty much know what Hunter, Carter, Graham and Jeanty are, so at this point it's kind of just a matter of trying to figure out where these 2nd tier guys fit in compared to Jeanty.

It's nice that the playoff has expanded because you'll get some great looks at prospects in high stakes games late in the year, whereas in the past a team like Mississippi would just be playing out the string with no real hopes of getting into the SEC Championship or the playoff.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Nolen seems like a guy who could be a really good pass-rusher but is overly reliant on his speed/upfield explosiveness, while potentially being average or worse against the run. Harmon on the other hand seems like someone who can collapse the pocket with power and 2-gap against the run, even if he isn't as explosive as Nolen.

They're two of the main ones I'll be keeping an eye on over the next month, along with Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams, Scourton, Malaki Starks and James Pearce. I already pretty much know what Hunter, Carter, Graham and Jeanty are, so at this point it's kind of just a matter of trying to figure out where these 2nd tier guys fit in compared to Jeanty.

It's nice that the playoff has expanded because you'll get some great looks at prospects in high stakes games late in the year, whereas in the past a team like Mississippi would just be playing out the string with no real hopes of getting into the SEC Championship or the playoff.

Yeah, it's nice that we may actually get our pick of a lot of these guys outside of Hunter, Graham and Carter who could all be gone by our pick. Those three are the guys I actually look at in this draft and see as really elite prospects.

Admittedly I haven't paid any attention to actually watch Harmon but with the playoffs there will be time. Sort of feels like he fits no matter what defense you play. And frankly sounds like the kind of guy we need. But when I read a write up like this, it certainly intrigues me as a guy who has a lot of the qualities we need:

Height: 6-5 | Weight: 310 | Prev. rank: 17

2024 stats through 10 games: 37 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, 25 pressures, 9 run stops, 2 forced fumbles

Harmon transferred over from Michigan State after a solid 2023 season there, and his game has taken the next step in Eugene. What jumps out to me most is his consistent disruptiveness on a game-to-game basis. He combines quickness with power to cause chaos for opponents. And his scheme-versatility only adds to his value; Harmon can dominate at either defensive tackle or end.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah, it's nice that we may actually get our pick of a lot of these guys outside of Hunter, Graham and Carter who could all be gone by our pick. Those three are the guys I actually look at in this draft and see as really elite prospects.

Admittedly I haven't paid any attention to actually watch Harmon but with the playoffs there will be time. Sort of feels like he fits no matter what defense you play. And frankly sounds like the kind of guy we need. But when I read a write up like this, it certainly intrigues me as a guy who has a lot of the qualities we need:

Height: 6-5 | Weight: 310 | Prev. rank: 17

2024 stats through 10 games: 37 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, 25 pressures, 9 run stops, 2 forced fumbles

Harmon transferred over from Michigan State after a solid 2023 season there, and his game has taken the next step in Eugene. What jumps out to me most is his consistent disruptiveness on a game-to-game basis. He combines quickness with power to cause chaos for opponents. And his scheme-versatility only adds to his value; Harmon can dominate at either defensive tackle or end.

Harmon strikes me as a guy that Belichick would love, elite size/length, enough athleticism to play as a 5T and enough power to play as a 3T and maybe even 1T, very versatile.

Hunter, Carter and Graham are the clear top tier for me, after that I think Jeanty and probably Starks are better prospects than just about anybody else but then you run into the RB/S positional value situation.

That's why I'm trying to sort out how I feel about these second-tier guys; Walker, Williams, Pearce, Harmon and Scourton.

Nolen is on the fringe of that but unless I see some eye-popping shit over the last few weeks I don't think he'll be in that tier.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Harmon strikes me as a guy that Belichick would love, elite size/length, enough athleticism to play as a 5T and enough power to play as a 3T and maybe even 1T, very versatile.

Hunter, Carter and Graham are the clear top tier for me, after that I think Jeanty and probably Starks are better prospects than just about anybody else but then you run into the RB/S positional value situation.

That's why I'm trying to sort out how I feel about these second-tier guys; Walker, Williams, Pearce, Harmon and Scourton.

Nolen is on the fringe of that but unless I see some eye-popping shit over the last few weeks I don't think he'll be in that tier.

Here's a question, who are some solid second round DT types in case we do go for a flashier pick like a Hunter in the first? We need bodies who can play in the worst way, even if they aren't future Aaron Donalds or Vince Wilforks.