2025 NFL Draft Chatter

[Simpleton]

I think we have to grab one of the top DTs if possible. I think finding a LBer has been easier for us than DT. That is probably the wrong way to look at it but both guys are going to go in the general vicinity of where we will be picking. So fits a big need and can argue BPA as well. So throw me in the Graham/Harmon camp first. If both gone I'm open to just about any other position.

I'm just so tired of the middle being soft. Too many qbs can just move up out of the way of Parsons as well of the runs in the middle.

I generally agree although I'm just saying he should be in consideration whereas before I wasn't considering him at all.

For me if Graham is there he should be the pick, no debate.

After that it's probably a toss-up between Jeanty and Harmon, maybe throw Starks and Pearce in there as well.

After that it's Walker and maybe Mykel Williams, although the Starks/Pearce/Walker tier is kind of fluid at the moment for me.

The thing is that this DT class is extremely deep as well, similar to RB, and we could easily get an impact player there in the second.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

in light of the Overshown injury is whether or not Jalon Walker should be much more in play

Not only no but hell no. If he wasn't in play before he shouldn't be in play now. And absolutely not on a 4-3 off ball LBer that high in the draft. Total waste of draft capital. This dude isn't that. You tell me he is Luke Kuechly, sure. But this isn't that caliber of LBer at all.

 

[Simpleton]

Not only no but hell no. If he wasn't in play before he shouldn't be in play now. And absolutely not on a 4-3 off ball LBer that high in the draft. Total waste of draft capital. This dude isn't that. You tell me he is Luke Kuechly, sure. But this isn't that caliber of LBer at all.

I could see him being Devin White or something along those lines. He has special pass rush ability for sure, similar to what I thought Parsons was coming out although I don't think there's anyway he ends up that sort of edge rusher in the league.

I could easily see him putting up 5-6+ sacks a year similar to Overshown though.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I could see him being Devin White or something along those lines. He has special pass rush ability for sure, similar to what I thought Parsons was coming out although I don't think there's anyway he ends up that sort of edge rusher in the league.

I could easily see him putting up 5-6+ sacks a year similar to Overshown though.

I don't think he is the coverage guy Overshown is/was.

But I'll say, you have to tell me the defense we are running next year before I could say for certain. But either he is a guy you want in the upper part of the first or he isn't. I'm not moving the needle just because of Overshown's injury. To me you don't draft an off the ball LBer for need at the top of the first round. You draft them because they are special. And an injury doesn't make the player any more or less special. So ultimately, all I'm saying is that the injury has zero impact on my thought process with the player. He wasn't good enough before and an injury doesn't suddenly make him a better player to me.

 

[Simpleton]

I don't think he is the coverage guy Overshown is/was.

But I'll say, you have to tell me the defense we are running next year before I could say for certain. But either he is a guy you want in the upper part of the first or he isn't. I'm not moving the needle just because of Overshown's injury. To me you don't draft an off the ball LBer for need at the top of the first round. You draft them because they are special. And an injury doesn't make the player any more or less special. So ultimately, all I'm saying is that the injury has zero impact on my thought process with the player. He wasn't good enough before and an injury doesn't suddenly make him a better player to me.

I've always thought he was in the mix with guys like Pearce and Williams but preferred not to take him if everything else is equal because he seems like a 4-3 LB or maybe 3-4 OLB.

He's a legit top 15ish prospect, but it needs to be the right scheme fit, which just so happened to open up here with the Overshown injury and depending on who the DC is. If it's Zimmer I think he's a fit for sure, but like I said earlier he'd be my 4th or 5th option assuming we're picking around 12.

I think him and Parsons would be devastating in nickel/dime, even more so than Parsons and Overshown.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think him and Parsons would be devastating in nickel/dime, even more so than Parsons and Overshown.

Pearce is a more devastating pass rusher.

I also have a dislike for Georgia players. Their defensive guys always seem way overrated this time of year.

I do like him better than his teammate Williams. But I don't think I'd touch that guy in the first round at all. Same for the Texas AM dudes who are way overrated in my opinion.

 

[Simpleton]

Pearce is a more devastating pass rusher.

I also have a dislike for Georgia players. Their defensive guys always seem way overrated this time of year.

I do like him better than his teammate Williams. But I don't think I'd touch that guy in the first round at all. Same for the Texas AM dudes who are way overrated in my opinion.

I have Pearce over Walker but that doesn't take away from the fact that I think Walker could dominate in a role like I'm envisioning.

The long and short of it is I think he'd be a big boost to the pass rush while also providing cover for what could be a relatively thin LB group, assuming we stay in a 4-3.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I have Pearce over Walker but that doesn't take away from the fact that I think Walker could dominate in a role like I'm envisioning.

The long and short of it is I think he'd be a big boost to the pass rush while also providing cover for what could be a relatively thin LB group, assuming we stay in a 4-3.

Walker does not look like a great LBer to me. Pass rusher I like. Rushes like a poor man's Parsons. But side line to sideline I do not see it. He does not look agile enough for it. If you put him at 4-3 lber I think he will bust. And then someone will make him a pure pass rusher and he will find a role. Reddick like career path.

I watched a bunch of him yesterday, just does not look like a LBer to me.

 

[Simpleton]

Walker does not look like a great LBer to me. Pass rusher I like. Rushes like a poor man's Parsons. But side line to sideline I do not see it. He does not look agile enough for it. If you put him at 4-3 lber I think he will bust. And then someone will make him a pure pass rusher and he will find a role. Reddick like career path.

I watched a bunch of him yesterday, just does not look like a LBer to me.

I could see that, it's hard to evaluate some of their guys with how their defensive scheme is. Walker in particularly is used pretty strangely, seemingly always caught in between some weird hybrid of a 3-4 OLB and an off-ball LB/ILB.

The blitzing/pass rush potential is obvious, but I don't think he's a guy who can be a full-time 4-3 DE under any circumstances, and I think he's athletic enough to handle most of the off-ball stuff but you don't see him used that way that often in college.

Ultimately all of that is why he's a backup plan for me, and even then it'd require a DC scheme fit for me to consider it. To me he really wouldn't be seriously in play unless we dropped to about 15-17, if we're in the 10-12 range it'd take something extremely strange for him to be one of the top options in my mind.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The blitzing/pass rush potential is obvious, but I don't think he's a guy who can be a full-time 4-3 DE under any circumstances, and I think he's athletic enough to handle most of the off-ball stuff but you don't see him used that way that often in college.

I wonder what he will run. He appears to have that initial burst but his closing speed looks meh to me. It's not like Parsons or Overshown where they go sideline to sideline and close with amazing speed. I saw some QBs sort of outrunning him. I'll be shocked if he runs under a 4.6. I get it, he isn't going to be a Parsons like freak. But he kind of looks like a slow thumper when he plays LBer. But looks like an athletic DE as a pass rusher. To me he is probably a 3-4 OLBer. Or pass rush specialist.

I don't think he will perform well off ball as a LBer. Certainly not well enough for a top 15 pick. I kind of feel like he would make our edges more vulnerable on run defense regardless of where you play him.

 

[Simpleton]

I wonder what he will run. He appears to have that initial burst but his closing speed looks meh to me. It's not like Parsons or Overshown were they go sideline to sideline and close with amazing speed. I saw some QBs sort of outrunning him. I'll be shocked if he runs under a 4.6. I get it, he isn't going to be a Parsons like freak. But he kind of looks like a slow thumper when he plays LBer. But looks like an athletic DE as a pass rusher. To me he is probably a 3-4 OLBer. Or pass rush specialist.

I don't think he will perform well off ball as a LBer. Certainly not well enough for a top 15 pick.

If he runs a 4.6 and measures at like 6-1ish he might drop out of the first round.

I think the expectation is that he'll run in the 4.4's.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

If he runs a 4.6 and measures at like 6-1ish he might drop out of the first round.

I think the expectation is that he'll run in the 4.4's.

Yeah I don't see it. But maybe he has really good straightline speed. But as soon as someone changes directions at all he lacks the agility to follow.

 

[Rev]

Florida State QB Ukelele declared

 

[boozeman]

Florida State QB Ukelele declared

For what? The XFL?

 

[Rev]

For what? The XFL?

I dont care. I just wanted to call him Ukelele.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

For what? The XFL?

He isn't even worth a practice squad spot.

 

[Cujo]

He isn't even worth a practice squad spot.

He's fucking horrible. He should be trying to get 3 more years of eligibility in the faint hope of developing enough to sign as a rookie free agent for the Des Moine Tweakers

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He's fucking horrible. He should be trying to get 3 more years of eligibility in the faint hope of developing enough to sign as a rookie free agent for the Des Moine Tweakers

Maybe he is going to play TE or something. He can't play QB.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Rev]

Interchangeable positions is back on the menu, boys.