2025 NFL Draft Chatter

[Cujo]

No fucking way I'm drafting him for what will be about 2 good seasons tops.

 

[Texas Ace]

No fucking way I'm drafting him for what will be about 2 good seasons tops.

Even without the touches, it makes no sense with as many needs as we have to draft him in the first round when there are so many talented backs in this draft.

You can get a 5 year starter in the 3rd round of this draft. That's how deep it is for RBs.

I do not want Jeanty in the first.

 

[Cujo]

Even without the touches, it makes no sense with as many needs as we have to draft him in the first round when there are so many talented backs in this draft.

You can get a 5 year starter in the 3rd round of this draft. That's how deep it is for RBs.

I do not want Jeanty in the first.

Totally agree.

 

[Texas Ace]

Totally agree.

What's more, if we pick at say 15-18 and both Jeanty and Tyler Warren are sitting there, I take Warren.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

What's more, if we pick at say 15-18 and both Jeanty and Tyler Warren are sitting there, I take Warren.

Pass

 

[Bill Shatner]

Fucking ginger TE over Jeanty? No way

 

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[boozeman]

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All depends on the DC.

Starks is not an Ed Reed.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He'd need to be Ed Reed for me to take him at #13. That is ridiculous.

 

[Simpleton]

All depends on the DC.

Starks is not an Ed Reed.

A lot of it really does depend on the DC, I think Starks would fit well with Zimmer actually, but he's definitely not Ed Reed.

I'd take Harmon over Starks.

 

[Simpleton]

I'm not going to begrudge anybody who doesn't want to go RB in the first but I think the argument becomes weaker the lower we pick, I'm also not overly concerned over the workload.

It's not ideal, but I think many of us are scarred by Elliott's stark drop off, which I think was two-fold and could be avoided relatively easily.

First, Garrett overused him his first few years because he's an idiot who lacked any sort of creativity and his entire football worldview was 90's Cowboys-centric (i.e. Emmitt, a once in a lifetime type RB who is arguably the most durable RB ever). Second, I think Elliott just wasn't a hard worker and didn't do everything he could to keep himself in shape. There's a reason "fat Zeke" was a thing for years and there's a reason that we're seeing older guys like Kamara, Aaron Jones and Henry last longer than the average RB, and I think it's because they're taking better care of themselves and squeezing an extra 1-2 years of production out of their bodies.

Jonathan Taylor had nearly 1,000 collegiate touches and is still one of the best RB's in the league five years in. Derrick Henry had over 400 touches his last year in college and is still going strong at nearly 30. Tomlinson had over 900 carries in college and was one of the best RB's in the league for nearly a decade. I'm sure there are others but that's what I found in my 3 minutes of googling.

From all accounts Jeanty is a very hard worker and generally a great leader, as long as that stuff checks out during the pre-draft process he'd be at or near the top of my board in the 12-18 range with the assumption that we'll get a solid 7ish years of high level production.

 

[Simpleton]

The other thing the anti-RB people are ignoring is that Jeanty will almost certainly be the clear BPA where ever we pick, he's almost universally a top 10 prospect and many have him on the fringe of the top 5.

He's the best RB to come out since who knows when, if that's available at 14 or whatever you would be daft to not strongly consider it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'm not going to begrudge anybody who doesn't want to go RB in the first but I think the argument becomes weaker the lower we pick, I'm also not overly concerned over the workload.

I love this RB class. Which is what makes it hard for me to take Jeanty in the first. I can find a damn good RB in the second or third without breaking a sweat. But that doesn't mean Jeanty isn't worthy of a top 15 pick. The only concern I have is with his work load. Otherwise he looks like a pretty damn complete package to me. And it helps he is a really high character kid.

The other part of this draft is that it's just weak overall at the top. There are guys I'd take over Jeanty but the list isn't long. Like Starks is a really good safety. But most rankings have the guy top 10. Do I think he is that special? No but there really isn't a lot of special here. Harmon and Graham are killer DTs. I love Carter and Pearce at DE (Maybe in a shift to a 3-4).

Jeanty I at least look at and can see a special RB. Something we could really use. I'll take McMillan over him but not Burden for example.

Guys I'd take before Jeanty:

McMillan
Pearce
Carter
Graham
Harmon
Hunter

That's probably it but it's subject to change.

 

[Simpleton]

I love this RB class. Which is what makes it hard for me to take Jeanty in the first. I can find a damn good RB in the second or third without breaking a sweat. But that doesn't mean Jeanty isn't worthy of a top 15 pick. The only concern I have is with his work load. Otherwise he looks like a pretty damn complete package to me. And it helps he is a really high character kid.

The other part of this draft is that it's just weak overall at the top. There are guys I'd take over Jeanty but the list isn't long. Like Starks is a really good safety. But most rankings have the guy top 10. Do I think he is that special? No but there really isn't a lot of special here. Harmon and Graham are killer DTs. I love Carter and Pearce at DE (Maybe in a shift to a 3-4).

Jeanty I at least look at and can see a special RB. Something we could really use. I'll take McMillan over him but not Burden for example.

Guys I'd take before Jeanty:

McMillan
Pearce
Carter
Graham
Harmon
Hunter

That's probably it but it's subject to change.

And assuming we pick somewhere around 12-17 Hunter, Carter, Graham and probably McMillan are almost certain to be gone.

So now you're left with Harmon, Pearce, Starks, and maybe one of the Georgia edge rushers.

I agree that it's a combination of the fact that Jeanty is a rare prospect and this is a relatively weak draft at the top. There's a reason guys like Brugler and Kiper are penciling Jeanty in as a top 5 prospect when that's unheard of most years.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And assuming we pick somewhere around 12-17 Hunter, Carter, Graham and probably McMillan are almost certain to be gone.

So now you're left with Harmon, Pearce, Starks, and maybe one of the Georgia edge rushers.

I agree that it's a combination of the fact that Jeanty is a rare prospect and this is a relatively weak draft at the top. There's a reason guys like Brugler and Kiper are penciling Jeanty in as a top 5 prospect when that's unheard of most years.

Yeah count me out on the Georgia guys. I don't get the Mykel Williams thing at all. I know maybe I rely on stats too much but holy hell how does a guy who struggles to get 3 sacks all season make the top of a draft? Walker is better but at 6'2" 245 pounds he better be special as a pass rusher.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah count me out on the Georgia guys. I don't get the Mykel Williams thing at all. I know maybe I rely on stats too much but holy hell how does a guy who struggles to get 3 sacks all season make the top of a draft? Walker is better but at 6'2" 245 pounds he better be special as a pass rusher.

I agree on Williams, he had 2 today but neither of them were actually impressive rushes off the edge, they were both flukey/coverage sacks. He's all tools at this point, very high ceiling but also a very low floor if he doesn't put it all together, plus he doesn't have great pure burst or bend around the edge. He seems like an ideal 5T, 3-4 DE to me, a bit of a tweener in a 4-3 that you have to move around situationally.

Walker is weird too because he looks like an off-ball LB at the next level who only rushes situationally, similar to what I thought of Parsons, but he has way more juice as a pass rusher than Williams. He might be a 3-4 OLB but he looks small, I'll be very curious to see his measurements because he looks closer to 6-1 than 6-2 to me.

If we keep Zimmer Walker might actually make sense in an Anthony Barr-type role, and next to Overshown that could be a devastating duo, but my willingness to take him is very scheme-dependent.

 

[Simpleton]

Harmon looks like something along the lines of a poor man's Jalen Carter to me.

He has the explosiveness/pass rush ability to be a 3T, combined with very good size, but he's not exactly big enough to be a full-time 0/1T although you could probably get away with it in some packages/situations.

He's not quite as good against the run as Graham but he might be more explosive as a pass rusher.

 

[Simpleton]

One interesting thing I've been wondering about in light of the Overshown injury is whether or not Jalon Walker should be much more in play, especially if we bring back Zimmer next year.

I don't buy Walker as a full-time edge rusher, but he does have excellent pass rush ability for an off-ball LB and would make sense in a role similar to what we envisioned for Parsons coming out and similar to what Anthony Barr played under Zimmer, as a 4-3 off-ball LB who rushes/blitzes maybe 40-50% of the time.

You could theoretically bring back Kendricks for a year, take your time with Overshown's injury, continue to develop Liufau, and roll with Kendricks/Walker/Liufau in 2025 (plus maybe Overshown for 5-10 games), then roll with Overshown/Walker/Liufau in 2026 and beyond.

If we re-sign Lawrence and Golston we're sort of deep at DE once you add in Kneeland, Williams, Parsons and potentially even Lawson. Walker would make a good bit of sense because he'd provide cover at off-ball LB while also boosting the pass rush.

 

[Rev]

I think we have to grab one of the top DTs if possible. I think finding a LBer has been easier for us than DT. That is probably the wrong way to look at it but both guys are going to go in the general vicinity of where we will be picking. So fits a big need and can argue BPA as well. So throw me in the Graham/Harmon camp first. If both gone I'm open to just about any other position.

I'm just so tired of the middle being soft. Too many qbs can just move up out of the way of Parsons as well of the runs in the middle.

 

[boozeman]

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