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Doesn't Trubisky break like every Parcells rule for drafting QBs in the first round?

It is no wonder teams always looking for a QB are always looking for a QB.
 

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Uhhh, what?
No doubt an effort by the Browns or the NFL to generate fake suspense. "The draft's no fun if everybody knows who the first pick will be!" is probably their mindset. I mean, when's the last time an NFL team signed the #1 pick before the draft? Used to happen quite frequently. Even in the age of salary slotting, they're still allowed to sign a guy before draft day, but don't.
 

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No doubt an effort by the Browns or the NFL to generate fake suspense. "The draft's no fun if everybody knows who the first pick will be!" is probably their mindset. I mean, when's the last time an NFL team signed the #1 pick before the draft? Used to happen quite frequently. Even in the age of salary slotting, they're still allowed to sign a guy before draft day, but don't.
There is no motivation for a team to make their pick early. You never know what trade offer might come and don't want to make life easier on the team picking second in the draft.
 

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When the Falcons traded up for Julio Jones they went from 27 to 6, giving up their 2nd and 4th during that year's draft, plus their 1st and 4th during the next year's draft.

Would you do that for Garrett?

That's the ceiling of what I'd give up but I wouldn't automatically say no, you're basically giving up four picks, but only two of which are in the first 3 rounds, to move up from 28 to 1.

Cleveland seems prone to doing dumb shit and I wouldn't be surprised if they really wanted out of the first pick, and therefore took less for it. Both the Rams and Eagles gave up more last year considering where they were moving up from, but that was for a QB and we all know the price is always steeper for QB's. There is probably little to no demand for that 1st pick considering the QB class this year, and teams usually don't give up bounties for position players.
 

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There is no motivation for a team to make their pick early. You never know what trade offer might come and don't want to make life easier on the team picking second in the draft.
But the premise is that they're really torn between Garrett and a one-year-wonder QB who might very well be there at #12. Not buying it.
 

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But the premise is that they're really torn between Garrett and a one-year-wonder QB who might very well be there at #12. Not buying it.
No, no one is buying it. But what does it hurt to keep teams guessing? And there is no reason to draft Garrett now. What if next week he gets in a horrific car accident or beats his girlfriend? Maybe those are slim odds but with no benefit to announcing your pick early you might as well keep the other 31 NFL teams wondering what you will do.
 

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No, no one is buying it. But what does it hurt to keep teams guessing? And there is no reason to draft Garrett now. What if next week he gets in a horrific car accident or beats his girlfriend? Maybe those are slim odds but with no benefit to announcing your pick early you might as well keep the other 31 NFL teams wondering what you will do.
I'm not talking about three weeks out. Dallas signed Aikman two days before the draft. As for Cleveland, this is a bad year to "keep teams guessing." Trading the #1 pick for a shitload of extra picks is more likely than a so-so QB going first off the board.
 

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Between admitting he takes plays off, now this, he has cost himself a lot of money.
 

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Between admitting he takes plays off, now this, he has cost himself a lot of money.
Never wanted him before. Never understood the first round hype. And now I don't want him at all.
 

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Between admitting he takes plays off, now this, he has cost himself a lot of money.
Does kind of suck reading the report though. From a legal perspective he is the victim in the case. But yet his life is going to be way more negatively impacted compared to her.
 

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Does kind of suck reading the report though. From a legal perspective he is the victim in the case. But yet his life is going to be way more negatively impacted compared to her.
I know it is not PC to say, but I think the idea that a woman can just haul off and assault a man and absolutely no retaliation is allowed is a complete double standard and a reaction to the "NO MORE" crap.

If she is slapping on the guy, I don't think shoving them away is the same as punching them. But it will be viewed through the same over-the-top fake aghast response.
 

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I know it is not PC to say, but I think the idea that a woman can just haul off and assault a man and absolutely no retaliation is allowed is a complete double standard and a reaction to the "NO MORE" crap.

If she is slapping on the guy, I don't think shoving them away is the same as punching them. But it will be viewed through the same over-the-top fake aghast response.
If it was two guys it's totally acceptable to hit someone back in self defense. If it's two women, it's totally acceptable to hit someone back in self defense. If a woman is struck first, it's ok to hit back in self defense.

The only situation where someone gets judged for defending themselves is when a man is basically being hit in the face first. Everyone wants equal rights for men and women but they really only want equal rights when it benefits women.

I still think he is another terribly overrated Florida defensive lineman.
 

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I know it is not PC to say, but I think the idea that a woman can just haul off and assault a man and absolutely no retaliation is allowed is a complete double standard and a reaction to the "NO MORE" crap.

If she is slapping on the guy, I don't think shoving them away is the same as punching them. But it will be viewed through the same over-the-top fake aghast response.
Yes, is a terrible double standard. If a woman feels manly enough to hit on anyone, man or woman, she should be handled as a man hitting a man.
 

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Yes, is a terrible double standard. If a woman feels manly enough to hit on anyone, man or woman, she should be handled as a man hitting a man.
I agree, because the guys are almost always bigger than the girls you'd hope they could find a better way (bear hug them to stop them, just leave, or things like that). But I also realize that punching someone in the face can bring out a level of rage that you don't get from other situations.
 

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Sports Science on ESPN is going through some of the draft picks right now. Pretty interesting stuff. They just did Reddick. The guy's explosion is pretty crazy for his size. Like the same as Jarvis Landry.

They also did Teez Tabor and were talking about how quickly he is able to flip his hips compared to other corners.
 
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NFL Draft: Predicting QB-team pairings; prospects your team is considering


April 17, 2017 10:51am EDT April 17, 2017 10:48am EDT

With the 2017 NFL Draft less than two weeks away, here is everything Optimum Scouting knows regarding what to expect come draft night.

By Eric Galko Contributor  @OptimumScouting


Published on Apr. 17, 2017


The 2017 NFL Draft is less than two weeks away, and the first overall pick is getting clearer.

Quarterbacks as always will dominate the final draft discussion, even though this will be just the second year in the last five that will not see quarterbacks go first and second overall.

In this what-I've-heard column, find out why tight ends might be drafted high, why safeties might slip and why Charles Harris is a name to know. Plus, which prospects your favorite team is considering.


Quarterbacks: Who’s going where?

— I don’t expect any quarterbacks to be drafted in the top four picks. The 49ers have Mitchell Trubisky graded high, and he’d be their pick if they surprise. The Bears like Deshaun Watson the most. The Jaguars are the one wild card people around the league believe are in play for a QB. One scout from another team said they might be thinking Trubisky.

— If there’s one strong quarterback-team connection, it’s Trubisky and the Bills. They’ve had strong interest throughout the season and draft process, and they actually were one of the teams he looked to for advisement when he was making his decision to declare for the draft. While I don’t believe the Jets will draft a quarterback, the Bills might trade with the Titans to ensure they can get to Trubisky before New York. I would be surprised if they target a different quarterback, but they’ve done their due diligence on all of them.

— Our top-rated quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, has many interested suitors. That said, I don’t think he’ll be a top-12 pick, but No. 13 to the Cardinals is where it gets interesting. I don’t believe Bruce Arians wants to use his first-round pick on a quarterback.

— The odds-on favorites to land Mahomes are the Chiefs. But the Texans are a close second. One hypothetical: The Chiefs trade up with the Colts (now led by former Chiefs executive Chris Ballard) to ensure them their top-ranked quarterback.

— All signs point to Watson slipping on draft day. The Bears and Saints appear to have the most interest, but I don’t expect either team to covet Watson as a top-20 pick. Watson’s arm strength, transition from his college offense and overall upside has been in question. I expect him to go somewhere between pick 24 and 32. Once he gets into the mid-20s, multiple teams might look to move up from the second round to get him.

— I’ve reported it previously, but I still firmly expect DeShone Kizer to slip on draft day. It’s unlikely he’s a first-round pick, though the Texans at 25 and the 49ers and Bears trading up from Round 1 could all be in play. Mental makeup and lackluster reviews from Notre Dame personnel, along with lackluster fourth quarterback play, are key reasons why he could slip to the late second round.

— Davis Webb of California has an outside chance of going in Round 1 (though I doubt it). But there’s a chance Pittsburgh’s Nathan Peterman could go ahead of him if both get to the second day. After Trubisky, Peterman could have the most near-unanimous approval from NFL evaluators. Webb could be a Chief or Cardinal. Peterman could be a Jaguar, Saint, Redskin or 49er, and by the third round, he could be a pick for any number of teams. If I had to pick one team for Miami’s Brad Kaaya, it’d be the Saints (though many teams compare him to Jared Goff in his mental makeup).

Team-quarterback pairing predictions:

Bills: Trubisky

Chiefs: Mahomes

Bears: Watson

Cardinals: Webb

Jaguars: Peterman

Saints: Kaaya

Dobbs: Browns

Individual player/position notes

— Leonard Fournette is a special talent, and most NFL teams appreciate him far more than the media or fans do. The 49ers are a darkhorse to consider him at No. 2, but the Jaguars at No. 4 might be his most likely destination. The Jets at No. 6 and the Panthers at No. 8 are his other options.

— Christian McCaffrey will be the next running back taken, and he won’t last beyond the top 15 picks.

— Some teams have reservations on Florida State’s Dalvin Cook, but there are enough with interest that I no longer think he’ll fall on draft day. He could be a top-20 pick. The Raiders, however, will not take him.

— Joe Mixon has plenty of suitors and shouldn’t last long in Round 2, just like Dorial Green-Beckham two years ago.

— We probably won’t see a receiver drafted before pick No. 16, but if it happens, it’ll be Clemson’s Mike Williams. The Bills (if they don’t get Trubisky), the Jets (who desperately need receiver help) and the Titans (who could draft him fifth overall) all value Williams highly.

— NFL Draft fans might be mad, but Western Michigan’s Corey Davis is more likely to go in the second round than in the top 20. He has a lot of high second-round grades, and I don’t think he’ll last long in Round 2.

— John Ross won’t be a receiver for whom teams trade up (because of his injury history). He will have plenty of interest by the middle/end of Round 1, though he doesn’t have a clear suitor.

— Alabama’s O.J. Howard likely will be drafted in the top half of Round 1, with his ceiling likely at pick No. 5 with the Titans. But it’s possible Miami’s David Njoku joins Howard as a top-15 pick and maybe even goes ahead of him. The Cardinals, quietly, also might be considering tight end.

— Despite a weak offensive tackle class this year, we still will see eight to 10 offensive tackles drafted in the top three rounds. For teams that need offensive tackles, it’ll be slim pickings. Here are my picks for the eight: Garett Bolles, Cam Robinson, Ryan Ramczyk, Taylor Moton, Antonio Garcia, Roderick Johnson, Will Holden and Julian Davenport.

— The position for which team-to-team rankings vary the most this year is defensive tackle. In a class that is not top-heavy, teams are selective as to which defensive linemen fit their defenses. The two who seem to have the most consistently high grades: Alabama’s Dalvin Tomlinson and Charlotte’s Larry Ogunjobi.

— I wrote about Malik McDowell in February. While we saw Robert Nkemdiche drafted in the first round last year despite off-field issues, I stand by what I said back then about his projection: second round.

— Some have said Jonathan Allen of Alabama might fall due to his shoulder injury issues, but that’s not what I’ve been told. Virtually every team I’ve spoken with has high first-round grades on him. I don’t think he gets past the Bears at third overall.

— UCLA’s Takkarist McKinley, who has been mocked as high as the top 10, does not have a lot of high or even mid-first-round grades, and I firmly expect him to be taken somewhere after the top 20, if not out of Round 1 altogether. His shoulder surgery has played a part in it. The Cowboys would be a great fit.

— Missouri defensive end Charles Harris has multiple top-10 grades from NFL teams, and I expect him to be drafted in the top 15. His ceiling might be sixth overall to the Jets, and his floor might be the Colts at No. 15.

— Two of my favorites since before the Combine, Houston’s Tyus Bowser and Kansas State’s Jordan Willis both should go somewhere between the early 20s and the end of Round 1.

— After Malik Hooker, safeties might fall on draft day. Jamal Adams, Jabrill Peppers and Obi Melifonwu have similar grades (depending on the teams), and I wouldn’t be surprised if Adams is not the first of the bunch taken. All three could be available for the Redskins at No. 17.

— I believe we’ll see five non-FBS players drafted in the top 100: Youngstown State’s Derek Rivers, Villanova’s Tanoh Kpassagnon, Lamar’s Brandon Langley, Eastern Washington’s Cooper Kupp and Bucknell’s Julien Davenport, in that order.



— The Browns’ coaching staff wants Myles Garrett, and someone else is pulling the strings to consider Trubisky. (My guess is ownership.) Coach Hue Jackson can win six-plus games with a Garrett-led defense and with Brock Osweiler, Cody Kessler and Josh Dobbs as his quarterbacks.

— As I reported in March, the Kirk Cousins-49ers connection is sincere, and with the ongoing issues in negotiations between the Redskins and Cousins, it’s not dead yet. The Redskins like Trubisky a lot. If the 49ers don’t get Cousins, Kizer might be their target in Round 2 and Nathan Peterman their target in Round 3.

— Since 1980, just one team has drafted a quarterback in the top-four rounds three straight years: the 2007-2009 Dolphins (John Beck, Chad Henne, Pat White).
History (and logic) is against the Jets taking a quarterback that early again. Their desire to drum up interest for teams to move in front of them has been impressive.

— The Panthers will take Fournette if he's available at No. 8. If not, I believe they’ll take Derek Barnett, Harris or Howard and target a running back in Round 2. If Barnett does not become a Panther, I believe he’ll be taken by the Bengals.

— I believe the Saints will get a deal done for Malcolm Butler, but keep in mind they don’t want to give up another early-round pick. They want to address their offensive tackle depth need by Round 3, if not earlier.

— Eagles first-round considered players: Harris, Barnett, Gareon Conley, McCaffrey and Ross. Of those five players, only one is expected to be available, and the Eagles will draft that one.

— Barring a top prospect like Harris falling, I expect the Redskins and Buccaneers to take two of the these three prospects: Peppers, Melifonwu and Cook.

— The Lions want a tight end early, as I reported back in February. It doesn’t look like Njoku will be available at No. 21. In Round 2, Bucky Hodges of Virginia Tech likely would be their target.

— The Dolphins are optimistic a top safety will fall to them; Adams, Peppers and Melifonwu all are on their wish list. If none of those are available, Justin Evans, Willis and guard Forrest Lamp are the players they’ll consider.

— Two one-time underrated prospects, Wisconsin’s T.J. Watt and Bowser, likely won’t make it to the Cowboys at No. 28. If they do, I expect one of them to be the pick. McKinley might be their ideal target if he slips.

— The Falcons have interest in and are a perfect match for Willis. If he’s gone, they could strongly consider adding to their offensive line at No. 31.

— We’ll see at least one team move up for a quarterback in the back end of Round 1. The Bears, Browns and Jaguars (in that order of likeliness) could do it to grab a falling Watson.

— Darkhorse first-rounders: Alabama’s Dalvin Tomlinson, Ole Miss’s Evan Engram, Temple’s Dion Dawkins and Florida’s Marcus Maye.

— Vegas sportsbooks have their NFL Draft prop bets up. Here’s some free money for those of you who like to indulge:

UNDER 11.5 SEC players, OVER 2.5 Running Backs,and UNDER 3.5 Quarterbacks in the first round. And the Pac-12 will have more first-rounders than the Big Ten.
 

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Both Webb and Mahomes in the first round??
 

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Both Webb and Mahomes in the first round??
Amazing but true, but some pundits are claiming as many as four or even five first round QBs (Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Webb and Kizer).

I don't believe it, but then again, when guys like Brandon Weeden, E.J. Manuel and Christian Ponder can be first round picks, why not.
 
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I hope all the QBs go early. Keep pushing the real talent down to us.
 
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