2023 Cowboys Coaching Staff Thread

1bigfan13

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I'm not surprised they with with Schottenheimer. It's on brand with how the Joneses operate.

They generally prefer seasoned coaches for OC/DC roles. After straying from their norm by hiring of an inexperienced OC in Kellen Moore, I kind of expected them to revert to their comfort zone.....a coach who has a lengthy NFL resume.
 

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Not good, but I hope McCarthy has a lot of influence this time around since it's basically his show to run on the offensive side of the ball.
I think he was given a budget and told not to rock the boat. I think the Joneses want to see it mostly come from McCarthy
 

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I am not trying to depress you all.

It could work out, you know?

I mean all of these bozos and lifers could just come together and support Fat Mike to get the offense running along with Quinn performing a hat-trick with the defense.
Seems rushed and not well thought out.
Surely we could have nabbed someone from the Eagles or Niners…but once again this team, and the Jones’ Dildos in particular are going to go the safe and familiar route. Just as familiar as not playing in a title game or SB in 27 years.
 

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Why does anybody think this was a Jerry/Stephen move?

They fuck up plenty of stuff but this was pretty clearly a McCarthy move. He mentions working with Marty Schottenheimer like every third week during the season in his PC's.
 

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Why does anybody think this was a Jerry/Stephen move?
Because it's not a move that people like, and it's easy to just say Jerry fucked up again.

If it was an OC people liked, then it would have been a guy McCarthy wanted.
 

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Why does anybody think this was a Jerry/Stephen move?

They fuck up plenty of stuff but this was pretty clearly a McCarthy move. He mentions working with Marty Schottenheimer like every third week during the season in his PC's.
Oh, it is absolutely a move designed for Fat Mike's convenience.

The thing now appears to be that he is allowed to align himself with his loyalists for one last run.

I dunno, I have never held McCarthy in great regard as a head coach, much less as an offensive guru.

He may have as much stroke as we have seen since Parcells, but that still does not make me feel better about doing things his way.
 

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Oh, it is absolutely a move designed for Fat Mike's convenience.

The thing now appears to be that he is allowed to align himself with his loyalists for one last run.

I dunno, I have never held McCarthy in great regard as a head coach, much less as an offensive guru.

He may have as much stroke as we have seen since Parcells, but that still does not make me feel better about doing things his way.
So you'd rather Jerry force assistants on the head coach?

Those hipsters next door must really be getting to you.
 

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Well, is Jerry Jones still the owner and GM? Is Goof Son considered the top personnel official?

Dealing with things that are eternal and forever is tough.
We can only hope that a terminal case of Covid will infect him and his family.
 

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While Schottenheimer is definitely a very uninspired hire I'm not really sure why he gets so much grief for his time in Seattle. I assume it's mostly because of how run-heavy they were and how the whole "let Russ cook" nonsense took hold in the discourse surrounding the team.

But look at these numbers when he was there:

2018 (10-6): Wilson had 35 TD's to just 7 INT's, 8.1 YPA and 65%+ completion. Chris Carson was their leading rusher averaging 4.7 YPC with 1100+ yards.
2019 (11-5): Wilson had 31 TD's to just 5 INT's, 8.0 YPA and 66% completion. Chris Carson was again their leading rusher averaging 4.4 YPC and 1200+ yards.
2020 (12-4): Wilson had 40 TD's to 13 INT's, 7.5 YPA and nearly 69% completion. Chris Carson was again their leading rusher, this time with only 681 yards but again averaging a strong 4.8 YPC.

That's 106 TD's to 25 INT's over 3 years with nearly 8 YPA and 66-67% completion.

Over the last 3 years Mahomes has thrown 116 TD's to 31 INT's with roughly 8 YPA and around 66-67% completion.

This was clearly the best 3 year stretch in Wilson's career, and for the majority of it he wasn't surrounded by much. A JAG in Chris Carson at RB, one of the worst OL's in the league, and a good but not great WR in Lockett as his lead guy in 2018 and 2019 before Metcalf emerged.

Metcalf was a rookie in 2019 and started to blossom into a star in 2020 but that was Schottenheimer's last year. Of course they went 12-4 that year and Wilson had arguably the best season of his career, but they sputtered against the Rams in the playoffs largely because of their OL and that was the final straw.

What's also interesting is that in 2018 they were much more run-heavy with Wilson only averaging about 27 attempts per game but that increased in 2019 and then again dramatically in 2020 once Metcalf started to come into his own, with Wilson averaging 34 attempts per game. So clearly he's fine leaning more into the passing game if the talent dictates it.

And of course we've seen what's happened to Wilson and the Seahawks since. In 2021 their offense took a significant step back under a McVay disciple, they went 7-10, he was traded and then obviously cratered in Denver. Their offense was solid this past year with Geno but with significantly better talent at RB (Walker) and along the OL than what Schottenheimer had from 2018-20.

And their defense was a thing of the past from 2018-20, an average at best group and certainly not able to function as the engine of a team.

Long story short, there wasn't a whole lot for Schottenheimer to work with in Seattle beyond Wilson and Lockett and yet the offense ended up performing mostly well, with it being probably the most individually productive stretch of Wilson's career.
 

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Why does anybody think this was a Jerry/Stephen move?

They fuck up plenty of stuff but this was pretty clearly a McCarthy move. He mentions working with Marty Schottenheimer like every third week during the season in his PC's.
Because Jerry forces his shit on everyone….it’s the same reason Garrett overstayed, same reason Moore overstayed. Same reason Coop is gone, same reason DT has been ignored for years. Its Jerrys way.
So, either Jerry’s lying about keeping Fat Mike forever and has said behind closed doors “you pick your people and let’s hope it gets us somewhere, or else”, or Jerry made the call to promote Schottenhiemer.
Jerrys control and knee jerk reactions and bad decisions are ingrained in this franchise. He’s not suddenly changing his stripes in 2023.
 

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While Schottenheimer is definitely a very uninspired hire I'm not really sure why he gets so much grief for his time in Seattle. I assume it's mostly because of how run-heavy they were and how the whole "let Russ cook" nonsense took hold in the discourse surrounding the team.

But look at these numbers when he was there:

2018 (10-6): Wilson had 35 TD's to just 7 INT's, 8.1 YPA and 65%+ completion. Chris Carson was their leading rusher averaging 4.7 YPC with 1100+ yards.
2019 (11-5): Wilson had 31 TD's to just 5 INT's, 8.0 YPA and 66% completion. Chris Carson was again their leading rusher averaging 4.4 YPC and 1200+ yards.
2020 (12-4): Wilson had 40 TD's to 13 INT's, 7.5 YPA and nearly 69% completion. Chris Carson was again their leading rusher, this time with only 681 yards but again averaging a strong 4.8 YPC.

That's 106 TD's to 25 INT's over 3 years with nearly 8 YPA and 66-67% completion.

Over the last 3 years Mahomes has thrown 116 TD's to 31 INT's with roughly 8 YPA and around 66-67% completion.

This was clearly the best 3 year stretch in Wilson's career, and for the majority of it he wasn't surrounded by much. A JAG in Chris Carson at RB, one of the worst OL's in the league, and a good but not great WR in Lockett as his lead guy in 2018 and 2019 before Metcalf emerged.

Metcalf was a rookie in 2019 and started to blossom into a star in 2020 but that was Schottenheimer's last year. Of course they went 12-4 that year and Wilson had arguably the best season of his career, but they sputtered against the Rams in the playoffs largely because of their OL and that was the final straw.

What's also interesting is that in 2018 they were much more run-heavy with Wilson only averaging about 27 attempts per game but that increased in 2019 and then again dramatically in 2020 once Metcalf started to come into his own, with Wilson averaging 34 attempts per game. So clearly he's fine leaning more into the passing game if the talent dictates it.

And of course we've seen what's happened to Wilson and the Seahawks since. In 2021 their offense took a significant step back under a McVay disciple, they went 7-10, he was traded and then obviously cratered in Denver. Their offense was solid this past year with Geno but with significantly better talent at RB (Walker) and along the OL than what Schottenheimer had from 2018-20.

And their defense was a thing of the past from 2018-20, an average at best group and certainly not able to function as the engine of a team.

Long story short, there wasn't a whole lot for Schottenheimer to work with in Seattle beyond Wilson and Lockett and yet the offense ended up performing mostly well, with it being probably the most individually productive stretch of Wilson's career.
If he can get Dak to mimic anything close to Wilson’s numbers those years this team could absolutely catch lightning in a bottle.
 

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Because Jerry forces his shit on everyone….it’s the same reason Garrett overstayed, same reason Moore overstayed. Same reason Coop is gone, same reason DT has been ignored for years. Its Jerrys way.
So, either Jerry’s lying about keeping Fat Mike forever and has said behind closed doors “you pick your people and let’s hope it gets us somewhere, or else”, or Jerry made the call to promote Schottenhiemer.
Jerrys control and knee jerk reactions and bad decisions are ingrained in this franchise. He’s not suddenly changing his stripes in 2023.
I agree that Jerry sticks his nose in all sorts of shit that he shouldn't but this particular situation really seems far removed from Jerry/Stephen.

You think Jerry has been plotting something like this since last year and brought Schottenheimer, a guy he has no ties to, in as a random consultant with the grand plan of getting rid of his most recent Golden Boy a year down the line?

It's hard to believe.

I think McCarthy started getting tired of Moore after 2021, he has direct ties to Schottenheimer so he brought him in to have a direct hand in the design of the offense, and after another disappointing offensive performance in the playoffs he decided to make his move. Now he's the play-caller, he installs his guy as OC, and brings on Solari as OL coach who was with Schottenheimer in Seattle just a few years ago.

It's all too coordinated and fits together too seamlessly for it to be some knee-jerk reaction from Jerry. To me this is all McCarthy, what's most intriguing to me is what sort of say, if any, did Quinn have in this?

It's quite coincidental that Schottenheimer was supposedly the guy Quinn wanted to take him with him as his OC.
 

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If he can get Dak to mimic anything close to Wilson’s numbers those years this team could absolutely catch lightning in a bottle.
Yea, if you guaranteed me that Dak would throw 30ish TD's and only 10ish INT's next year (similar numbers to 2021) I'd say our chances of being the 1 seed are at least 75%.
 

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Who gives a shit? Shotty is Fat Mike's bitch boy. Nothing more. Just like any coordinator where the HC calls the plays.
 

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It's quite coincidental that Schottenheimer was supposedly the guy Quinn wanted to take him with him as his OC.
Maybe it's just that two good football coaches think highly of Schottenheimer.
 

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I agree that Jerry sticks his nose in all sorts of shit that he shouldn't but this particular situation really seems far removed from Jerry/Stephen.

You think Jerry has been plotting something like this since last year and brought Schottenheimer, a guy he has no ties to, in as a random consultant with the grand plan of getting rid of his most recent Golden Boy a year down the line?

It's hard to believe.

I think McCarthy started getting tired of Moore after 2021, he has direct ties to Schottenheimer so he brought him in to have a direct hand in the design of the offense, and after another disappointing offensive performance in the playoffs he decided to make his move. Now he's the play-caller, he installs his guy as OC, and brings on Solari as OL coach who was with Schottenheimer in Seattle just a few years ago.

It's all too coordinated and fits together too seamlessly for it to be some knee-jerk reaction from Jerry. To me this is all McCarthy, what's most intriguing to me is what sort of say, if any, did Quinn have in this?

It's quite coincidental that Schottenheimer was supposedly the guy Quinn wanted to take him with him as his OC.
It's nice seeing the HC with this much sway. It's been a really long time since we have seen that. Now, let's see if McCarthy sinks or swims.
 

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Who gives a shit? Shotty is Fat Mike's bitch boy. Nothing more. Just like any coordinator where the HC calls the plays.
Yeah that's what I feel. Schotty isn't calling plays, he isn't designing the offense. He is just there to mimic what McCarthy wants him to. And for that he needed a guy who knows what McCarthy likes and wants.

We weren't bringing in an innovator to run McCarthy's offense. Whoever we brought in was going to be McCarthy's bitch boy.
 

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It's nice seeing the HC with this much sway. It's been a really long time since we have seen that. Now, let's see if McCarthy sinks or swims.
It only looks like he has stroke. He is being given what he wants to go down his way.
 
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