2021 Season | Week 11 | Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ Chiefs | 11/21/21

[Genghis Khan]

Prescott overthrowing Gallup by a mile,

What a huge miss that was.

 

[Smitty]

Right.

It will suck to have been sucked in to the hype in recent weeks only for them to be the same sort of good team we've seen them be 4 or 5 times already since 2009.

There's time left for sure, but right now my gut tells me they're more like those teams than a special team like we were starting to think.

I've kinda always thought they were the latter. Not good enough on defense. And not Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on offense. Very good but when you have to have it in crunch time, need the miracle pulled out of your ass, when the rest of the team needs YOU to deliver because they are getting whipped? I don't have that confidence in Dak.

 

[mcnuttz]

On the road too. In a nutshell it's not so concerning and again, if you are going to lose, on the road, out of conference is the game to lose.

But on the flip side that's also two out of three weeks getting kinda manhandled. Things are not trending well for a team that we thought.... might be a contender? There are glaring reasons for not looking so hot that go beyond the key pieces being out. Yes Cooper was out, but what does that have to do with Prescott overthrowing Gallup by a mile, etc? And this is his second very poor day in three weeks as well. Is he still banged up?

Wasn't this the first game that KC had their defense all back together?

At some point they need to be given credit.

But yes, Dak had a couple overthrows yesterday that signaled early on that we should run more.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Smitty]

whoever said we have great depth at WR was wrong.

Well, down 2 will really eliminate any team's depth.

But whoever said Noah Brown needs to continue making this team was wrong.

 

[p1_]

Was it McGovern who fell victim to Chris Jones arse rape? Or Biadasz? Or both?

 

[Genghis Khan]

I don't think it would represent much progress over the last decade or so. Progress would be accomplishing second round playoff exit status in back to back years.... which they still haven't done.

We're not building off of 2011 or whatever. That would be like saying it's not progress over 1995. It was forever ago and the team is entirely different.

Making the playoffs would certainly be progress over the last couple years. The question would then be whether we can progress beyond that next season. That would be the crucible moment.

 

[p1_]

Well, down 2 will really eliminate any team's depth.

But whoever said Noah Brown needs to continue making this team was wrong.

Neither he nor Wilson could catch a cold yesterday.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Genghis Khan]

Was it McGovern who fell victim to Chris Jones arse rape? Or Biadasz? Or both?

Good question but to be fair he even beat Martin. He's really good.

 

[Genghis Khan]

They swore up and down it wasn't a blueprint.

Sure seems like it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And this is his second very poor day in three weeks as well. Is he still banged up?

The Ticket guys were asking this, is it possible that his calf is bothering him? That's two of three games since he hurt it that he's been bad. Maybe the ATL game got so out of hand so fast it didn't matter in that one.

I doubt it, but I guess it's something to think about.

 

[Smitty]

We're not building off of 2011 or whatever. That would be like saying it's not progress over 1995. It was forever ago and the team is entirely different.

Making the playoffs would certainly be progress over the last couple years. The question would then be whether we can progress beyond that next season. That would be the crucible moment.

It's not forever ago in relation to 2016 though. Lot of the same characters here from then - Prescott, Elliott, Smith, Martin, Collins, D-Law, Gregory, Anthony Brown.

Even more if you fast forward to 2018 - Add Cooper, Gallup, Noah Brown, Jarwin and Schultz all to the mix on offense, granted many of them younger, but still here. On defense, Jourdan Lewis, LVE, Dorance Armstrong. It's actually a surprising amount of holdover, like 30% of the roster, which from 3 years ago? That's basically the same core.

That cast making the second round and bowing out again wouldn't really be progress. It would be the same guys plateauing as a second round team again. Even if that's their ceiling, at least call me when they can do it two years in a row, that's progress.

 

[Simpleton]

We're not building off of 2011 or whatever. That would be like saying it's not progress over 1995. It was forever ago and the team is entirely different.

Making the playoffs would certainly be progress over the last couple years. The question would then be whether we can progress beyond that next season. That would be the crucible moment.

Yea, the agenda is clear but whatever happened under Garrett isn't the measuring stick. We haven't been in the playoffs since 2018, including a completely preposterous 2019 when we were immaculately healthy, and this is McCarthy's first season with some semblance of health.

If we make the 2nd round that isn't some major accomplishment but it's progress for the McCarthy regime and sets the stage for where he can (or can't) take us over the next year or two.

If we can't at least make an NFCC by the 2023-24 season, then he should be gone.

 

[Smitty]

Let's see if boy genius can scheme these guys open since I've heard that is so easy to do.

 

[Smitty]

Good question but to be fair he even beat Martin. He's really good.

Chris Jones is also pretty damn good.

 

[Simpleton]

They swore up and down it wasn't a blueprint.

Sure seems like it.

If you can get consistent pressure, often times with only rushing 4-5, that's a "blueprint" for beating any QB. I don't think the coverage played by the Broncos/Chiefs is so much the blueprint as it is the consistent and immediate pressure that they got.

But that's obviously the case for any offense, it's not unique to us.

 

[Simpleton]

I don't want to call our WR's soft but I think they're definitely more on the finesse side. I don't think any of them really love playing outdoors in the elements either.

There is an argument that we need a physical "dog" at WR who can kind of post up DB's, although I don't think it's compelling enough to make it a huge need.

 

[Smitty]

Yea, the agenda is clear but whatever happened under Garrett isn't the measuring stick.

It absolutely fricking is when you are talking about the same starting QB and the same bell-cow feature RB and practically the same OL.

This is your group. Has been since '16.

Time to see if they can elevate. This isn't some fresh slate for these guys.

They've maxed out as a divisional round loss team in '16 and '18 and haven't shown the consistency to even make the playoffs in back to back years.

I'm not saying run them out of town but to give them the excuses that no one ever bought for the last coach is silly. Frankly, I DO give them those excuses - Elliott suspended for half the season in '17, the GM not giving us any WRs in '18, the turnover and lack of defensive talent in '19 and '20. All cost us chances to repeat as playoff teams. But if we are holding feet to the fire then these players need to have theirs held to the fire as well.

Making the playoffs and losing in the divisional round for these guys is not progress, it's the same old shit.

 

[Genghis Khan]

It's not forever ago in relation to 2016 though. Lot of the same characters here from then - Prescott, Elliott, Smith, Martin, Collins, D-Law, Gregory, Anthony Brown.

Even more if you fast forward to 2018 - Add Cooper, Gallup, Noah Brown, Jarwin and Schultz all to the mix on offense, granted many of them younger, but still here. On defense, Jourdan Lewis, LVE, Dorance Armstrong. It's actually a surprising amount of holdover, like 30% of the roster, which from 3 years ago? That's basically the same core.

That cast making the second round and bowing out again wouldn't really be progress. It would be the same guys plateauing as a second round team again. Even if that's their ceiling, at least call me when they can do it two years in a row, that's progress.

They're not that same team, especially on defense and on the coaching staff, and even on the offensive line. They took a big step backwards in 2019 (while relatively healthy by the way) so unquestionably getting back to the playoffs represents progress. By definition.