2020 Random NFL Stuff Thread...

[boozeman]

 

[Stasheroo]

Surprisingly enough, even as a traditionalist, I don't think I would be opposed to this.

I think I am. I think the chances of converting a 4th and 15 are a lot higher than recovering an onside kick, especially with penalties involved.
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[Cowboysrock55]

I think I am. I think the chances of converting a 4th and 15 are a lot higher than recovering an onside kick, especially with penalties involved.
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Onside kicks have become impossible with the other rules changes.

 

[Stasheroo]

Onside kicks have become impossible with the other rules changes.

Which I don't have a problem with. I'd rather a team win because they dominated the majority of playing time, not because they 'stole one' at the end.

 

[Cotton]

Onside kicks have become impossible with the other rules changes.

That's why I said I thought I would be okay with it. How many onside kicks were actually recovers last year. Has to be less than 1%. So, either do something different or eliminate the play altogether.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

That's why I said I thought I would be okay with it. How many onside kicks were actually recovers last year. Has to be less than 1%. So, either do something different or eliminate the play altogether.

I liked the way they were before in all honesty.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Onside kicks were never high percentage plays.

It just feels like 4th and 15 is way higher of a percentage play than an onside kick was ever intended to be.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Onside kicks were never high percentage plays.

It just feels like 4th and 15 is way higher of a percentage play than an onside kick was ever intended to be.

I agree completley. It's why I like the way it was before best. Better percentages than now but still not high percentages before.

 

[data]

...at the rate they call defensive penalties now? Five yard chuck and automatic first down. Touching QB’s helmet and all that...automatic first down.

Fuck no.

 

[jsmith6919]

Onside kicks were never high percentage plays.

It just feels like 4th and 15 is way higher of a percentage play than an onside kick was ever intended to be.

I would agree to this if no penalty could give an automatic 1st down on this play

 

[Smitty]

I’m completely against it.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Stasheroo]

Nice to see them fix that one-day cuts bullshit.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I would agree to this if no penalty could give an automatic 1st down on this play

I can already see a coach like Belichick ordering his defense to just tackle everyone on offense at the snap.

 

[NoDak]

I can already see a coach like Belichick ordering his defense to just tackle everyone on offense at the snap.

Can't end on a defensive penalty, though. So I'd imagine if no first down was granted, they would still get the penalty yardage and another snap. So instead of it being 4th and 15, it would now be 4th and 10 or 4th and 5 depending on the penalty called. And then it would be a lot easier to pick up. So I don't think your scenario would play out.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Can't end on a defensive penalty, though. So I'd imagine if no first down was granted, they would still get the penalty yardage and another snap. So instead of it being 4th and 15, it would now be 4th and 10 or 4th and 5 depending on the penalty called. And then it would be a lot easier to pick up. So I don't think your scenario would play out.

Yeah that's true. I just don't like it at all. To easy for cheap penalties from refs I don't trust.

 

[ravidubey]

Surprisingly enough, even as a traditionalist, I don't think I would be opposed to this.

Exactly. Better to have real football decide something like this than a strange kickoff which never succeeds at anything but getting people hurt.

I really like the football in the hands of a QB, not teed up for a kicker.

They should limit the number of attempts to one per half or per game.

 

[data]

Instruct the WR to be more aggressive with push off and secure the 1st down.

If you’re called for offensive PI, then just do regular kickoff.

 

[NoDak]

Instruct the WR to be more aggressive with push off and secure the 1st down.

If you’re called for offensive PI, then just do regular kickoff.

Do they get the option to kick off again, or does the other team get the ball at the spot of the onside attempt after penalty is walked off?

 

[data]

Do they get the option to kick off again, or does the other team get the ball at the spot of the onside attempt after penalty is walked off?

I’m guessing it’d be similar to a 2pt conversion. If called for offensive penalty on the play, they take the yardage and can kick the XP further back or retry the conversion further back.

For this scenario, retry the play further back for 4th and 25 or standard kickoff from the 25 yard line