Dak Watch Thread...

[P_T]

He's not "definitely" better than Wentz.

"Lol"

I agree, could Dak have done what Wentz did (with what had) down the stretch last year?

 

[Smitty]

I don't see much evidence that he isn't at least every bit as good as Goff and Wentz.

I said Goff is arguable. Goff had a very bad year last year and Prescott had his best.

Wentz, if not for injury, I'd say is hands down better than Prescott.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He's not "definitely" better than Wentz.

"Lol"

And you didn't even name Wentz as as arguable. But yeah, considering Wentz's injury history and what I've seen. Dak is clearly the better player taking everything into account. You're blinded by Wentz and your love for him from the draft.

And by the way if anyone wants to say Wentz is a better pure passer I think they are wrong. His accuracy is all over the place. He benefits from a very QB friendly system that makes him look better than he is.

 

[1bigfan13]

I expect this thing to drag out until June/July. It would be nice to get something down now but honestly he's not missing anything right now so I'm not sweating it.

I don't think we'll see anything done until the NFL and individual states clear teams for on field activities. That's when the pressure will actually turn up on both sides.

Speaking of states opening things up for public gatherings, it'll be interesting to see how the NFL handles this because obviously some states aren't as bad off as others and will be opening up a lot sooner. I'm willing to bet the NFL won't open up operations until they can figure out a way to allow all teams to open up simultaneously. That way teams from states like Texas and Georgia who are already opening up won't have a significant competitive advantage over teams located in states with more stringent reopening standards.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Wentz is massively overrated. (Wentz is also a threat to run btw)

Sure, he can run. He's not an established red zone threat with his legs like prescott is, though.
21 career rushing TDs for Dak vs 3 for Wentz.
I don't think Wentz' arm talent is overrated (I would say Dak's is underrated BTW), but the injuries make any comparisons moot since the best ability is availability.

 

[Rev]

And you didn't even name Wentz as as arguable. But yeah, considering Wentz's injury history and what I've seen. Dak is clearly the better player taking everything into account. You're blinded by Wentz and your love for him from the draft.

And by the way if anyone wants to say Wentz is a better pure passer I think they are wrong. His accuracy is all over the place. He benefits from a very QB friendly system that makes him look better than he is.

I think I was the first on the board to call him fools gold. Still stand by that.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Well, I wouldn't say I dislike him, I just think he will struggle without superior talent around him.

Not being a smartie but that is true of most QBs. If you have a mediocre group around them they are less effective. Hurts has arm strength, speed, size and is pretty accurate with high quality training at big time schools. The only times he seemed overwhelmed was when superior defenses neutralized the team. And that wasn't often.

 

[jsmith6919]

Speaking of states opening things up for public gatherings, it'll be interesting to see how the NFL handles this because obviously you some states aren't as bad off as others and will be opening up a lot sooner. I'm willing to bet the NFL won't open up operations until they can figure out a way to allow all teams to open up simultaneously. That way teams from states like Texas and Georgia who are already opening up won't have a significant competitive advantage over teams located in states with more stringent reopening standards.

We might see a lot of training camps in the southern states

 

[Cotton]

Lol definitely better than Wentz

No doubt.

 

[Cotton]

More durable, sure. But I think it's arguable when it comes right down to actual skills. Certainly not, 'definitely'.

Yeah, but you have to factor is reliability. Wentz is not. Dak is. SO, what pushes you over to definitely better is his reliability. For years we had a missile in Sean Lee, but he wasn't even considered top 15 in the league because he couldn't stay on the field. Same applies here.

 

[Cotton]

I said Goff is arguable. Goff had a very bad year last year and Prescott had his best.

Wentz, if not for injury, I'd say is hands down better than Prescott.

I absolutely do not agree. Even if you take out injury, I think they are right about the same level of QB.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I absolutely do not agree. Even if you take out injury, I think they are right about the same level of QB.

What's the point of a QB who isn't healthy to play once the playoffs arrive?

 

[Simpleton]

Wentz has a coach who managed to win the Super Bowl with Nick Foles, although there's a decent argument that Reich was the real architect instead of Pedersen. Goff has one of the brightest offensive minds in the game building the offensive system he plays in.

Prescott had Jason Garrett and until last year seemingly barely had a QB coach to help build his footwork and pocket mechanics. I mean, Jon Kitna isn't even the league anymore and probably won't be again yet Prescott's footwork and release all showed dramatic improvement after just a year with him.

That's a pretty damning indictment of the coaching, or lack thereof, that he's gotten to this point in his career.

 

[1bigfan13]

We might see a lot of training camps in the southern states

That's what I was thinking. Maybe they secure some property in a handful of states that open early and funnel teams to those locations. Similar to the idea that was kicked around in MLB circles where one suggested course of action was to play all games in Arizona and Florida at spring training facilities.

 

[NoDak]

Yeah, but you have to factor is reliability. Wentz is not. Dak is. SO, what pushes you over to definitely better is his reliability. For years we had a missile in Sean Lee, but he wasn't even considered top 15 in the league because he couldn't stay on the field. Same applies here.

Yeah, I kind of said that in the post you replied to.

Just like I said when it comes down to just QB skills, imo its debatable who's better. You disagree. That's fine.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah, I kind of said that in the post you replied to.

Just like I said when it comes down to just QB skills, imo its debatable who's better. You disagree. That's fine.

I agree with you. i think Dak looks better but he also has better recievers but a worse coach. But the injuries seal the deal for me.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I absolutely do not agree. Even if you take out injury, I think they are right about the same level of QB.

Hell, I don't think Wentz is better even without the injury factor.

Dak - pretty handily - betters Wentz in both completion percentage and YPA, the combination of which I regard as an extremely important measure of a QB's effectiveness (i.e., how often does he make a play and how effective was that play?).

Dak has a career 65.8 completion percentage and he topped 67 twice in 4 years.

Wentz has a career 63.8 completion percentage and he has been below 64 three times in 4 years.

Dak has a career 7.6 YPA and has been above 8 twice in 4 years.

Wentz has a career 6.9 (!) YPA and has never been above 8.

This is pretty clear cut to me.

 

[Smitty]

I absolutely do not agree. Even if you take out injury, I think they are right about the same level of QB.

Ok.

I don’t agree at all either. I think Wentz is simply superior as a passer and a QB in general.

Unfortunately for him and fortunately for us, he hasn’t been able to stay on the field, so obviously that works in Dak’s favor.

 

[Smitty]

And FWIW I still don’t believe Doug Pederson is particularly better than Garrett. And I expect McCarthy to run circles around him despite being 350 pounds.

 

[jsmith6919]

And FWIW I still don’t believe Doug Pederson is particularly better than Garrett. And I expect McCarthy to run circles around him despite being 350 pounds.

I agree with what @Simpleton said above, after watching their offense since he left I think Reich was the mastermind behind their SB run