Smitty
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Definitely a Jones thing.Nah, we've been doing it long before Garrett. I think we peaked under Campo.
Definitely a Jones thing.Nah, we've been doing it long before Garrett. I think we peaked under Campo.
Reggie Robinson is a bit in that mold. Small school, mega athletic, has the size/speed profile they love but not the production at a big school and is probably a bit of a development gambit. They love to use 4th rounders on those types.Yep, no fucking Ryan Switzers, Isaiah Stanbacks or Akwasi Owusu-Ansah's this year.
Ironically what you just cited with Jerry "forcing" Gailey to run our old schemes is exactly an example of Players over Scheme.The draft is all about layering a foundation for the next four years or so, and most of this site gets that. Hence the overall elation. Dallas got clear value at positions of need in each round.
If you only look at patching the current team you end up with crap like the 1995 backups draft, 2009’s special teams draft, the X-Ray draft, the Aikman trying out WRs draft, or most of the shitty drafts we had with Jerry as undisputed GM.
What makes this even more exciting is the clear leadership and input McCarthy has brought along with the philosophy of “players over scheme”. We haven’t had that in Dallas since Jimmy Johnson used extra picks to draft the same talented players he tried to recruit years earlier in college.
Jimmy left his offensive and defensive schemes behind and Jerry Jones bent over backwards trying to maintain them. He forced Chan Gailey to keep the defensive schemes in place and brought back the same offensive schemes once he fired Gailey.
Scheme over talent was the cause of the rush job Bill Parcells made trying to build a 3-4 and win a title before he retired. He converted Greg Ellis to a LB, dumped La’Roi Glover, force-drafted Marcus Spears and Bobby Carpenter, and alienated a solid DC in Mike Zimmer to implement his 3-4.
And of course Jerry bent over backwards to keep the damned scheme (without truly understanding it) once Parcells left hiring both Wade and Rob Ryan. They eroded the team letting building blocks like Chris Canty go while keeping the average Spears and signing more average guys like Igor Olshansky. They refused to change to a 4-3 even though it was clear both Hatcher and Ratliff were better suited to it.
Bottom line it’s been ages since we had coaches prioritize talent over scheme and I can’t wait
I don't agree with that. Moss wasn't drafted because Jerry was afraid of the backlash of taking a troubled player so soon after the fiasco we had been through with Irvin and others. Not because we had a bigger hole at DE. Ellis was a good player, but more importantly to Jerry at the time, he was a SAFE player.Instead Jerry literally drafted Greg Ellis over the best WR I’ve ever seen and maybe will ever see because the team had a bigger hole at DE.
That is the primary reason that Jones didn’t take Moss. A lot of the locals were pretty adamant that Jones should draft anyone but Moss. The team was getting into one scandal after another with some of the players and balked at Moss because they felt he was a trouble maker. I was even somewhat reluctant about Moss but Dallas missed the greatest opportunity to have one of the top players to ever play the game and he would probably have had the fans saying Michael who ? at some point.I don't agree with that. Moss wasn't drafted because Jerry was afraid of the backlash of taking a troubled player so soon after the fiasco we had been through with Irvin and others. Not because we had a bigger hole at DE. Ellis was a good player, but more importantly to Jerry at the time, he was a SAFE player.
You are confusing the issue though. Greg Ellis was not an issue of a better scheme fit so we took a lesser player. Randy Moss was an equal scheme fit to Greg Ellis.Instead Jerry literally drafted Greg Ellis over the best WR I’ve ever seen and maybe will ever see because the team had a bigger hole at DE.
This too.I don't agree with that. Moss wasn't drafted because Jerry was afraid of the backlash of taking a troubled player so soon after the fiasco we had been through with Irvin and others. Not because we had a bigger hole at DE. Ellis was a good player, but more importantly to Jerry at the time, he was a SAFE player.
That wasn't a need over BPA though. We took character over talent that year. And honestly taking the talent with poor character has bit us in the ass sometimes. And sometimes it has worked out great like it did for Dez Bryant. That was a perfect example of when we should have taken the talent and realized the character can be worked on. Moss would have been a game changer for this organization. Ellis was a nice player and not a bad draft pick at all. If Moss never existed it probably wouldn't even be questioned as a draft pick. I wanted Moss so bad in that draft though and was horribly disappointed in the pick.You are confusing the issue though. Greg Ellis was not an issue of a better scheme fit so we took a lesser player. Randy Moss was an equal scheme fit to Greg Ellis.
You are citing an example of need over BPA. And I agree the exceptions to that should be exceedingly rare.
I agree, and it was a decision that snowballed on the team too.That wasn't a need over BPA though. We took character over talent that year. And honestly taking the talent with poor character has bit us in the ass sometimes. And sometimes it has worked out great like it did for Dez Bryant. That was a perfect example of when we should have taken the talent and realized the character can be worked on. Moss would have been a game changer for this organization. Ellis was a nice player and not a bad draft pick at all. If Moss never existed it probably wouldn't even be questioned as a draft pick. I wanted Moss so bad in that draft though and was horribly disappointed in the pick.
And the Galloway deal led to some truly awful drafts after it. It's a good reason to follow BPA. Because you really don't know what will happen with your roster a year or two down the road. Positions you think are locked up aren't, positions you think are a need will work themselves out. You don't want to be stuck with a need for an elite player at a position because you didn't think it was a need a year ago.I agree, and it was a decision that snowballed on the team too.
If they drafted Moss, they never make that terrible Joey Galloway deal either.
And why I am so glad that the team never made that stupid deal for Jamal Adams. You can't make a practice of giving up top picks for player you then have to pay big money. That's a double whammy.And the Galloway deal led to some truly awful drafts after it. It's a good reason to follow BPA. Because you really don't know what will happen with your roster a year or two down the road. Positions you think are locked up aren't, positions you think are a need will work themselves out. You don't want to be stuck with a need for an elite player at a position because you didn't think it was a need a year ago.
It was pretty good but I don't know that I enjoyed him being a fan for every NFL team.
Been done to death, I can't even watch that guy any more.It was pretty good but I don't know that I enjoyed him being a fan for every NFL team.
Yeah, he's gone Jerruh. Like Jerruh with opposing fans filling up our stadiums, McGruder's going for mass appeal and a click's a click.It was pretty good but I don't know that I enjoyed him being a fan for every NFL team.
The Packers fan reaction at the end...
I mean, he said several things that were said almost verbatim in this thread. Couple of them that stick out.It was pretty good but I don't know that I enjoyed him being a fan for every NFL team.
Yesh the Eagles fans and Cowboys fans stuff was great. But I don't care about the Bills or Packers for example? Not really, they don't relate to us much other than I love to see Rodgers squirm. Something I really hate about that guy beyond my dislike for the Pack.The Packers fan reaction at the end...
The Eagles and Cowboys fan reactions to the Jalen Hurts pick...