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Romo went underappreciated during his career here. Dak Prescott just as polarizing in his first four years.
Guess we’ll have to wait until after the ‘Amari Caught It’ game for sentiments to change.
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Guess we’ll have to wait until after the ‘Amari Caught It’ game for sentiments to change.
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The landscape is changing at QB league wide.
Top 5 doesn’t mean the same thing it used to when the NFL had Manning, Brees, Favre, Brady et al performing at such high levels.
We are looking at a period of transition with Mahomes the clear face of the league followed by Wilson in his prime, elder statesmen Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, and Brady able to outperform most when they need to but not as often as they used to.
There are the best of the rest varying greatly based on supporting casts. The above have done it for long stretches irrespective of the performance of the opposition and even over average supporting casts.
I know when Dak, Goff, and Garropolo get punched in the mouth they are going to fold in the playoffs.
Wentz is an enigma, but he’s more like these three than the previous group.
Bottom line the NFL is turning into the Mahomes and Wilson show with a rotating cast of challengers based on supporting cast.
There are no other great QBs
Top 5 doesn’t mean the same thing it used to when the NFL had Manning, Brees, Favre, Brady et al performing at such high levels.
We are looking at a period of transition with Mahomes the clear face of the league followed by Wilson in his prime, elder statesmen Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, and Brady able to outperform most when they need to but not as often as they used to.
There are the best of the rest varying greatly based on supporting casts. The above have done it for long stretches irrespective of the performance of the opposition and even over average supporting casts.
I know when Dak, Goff, and Garropolo get punched in the mouth they are going to fold in the playoffs.
Wentz is an enigma, but he’s more like these three than the previous group.
Bottom line the NFL is turning into the Mahomes and Wilson show with a rotating cast of challengers based on supporting cast.
There are no other great QBs
Plan9Misfit
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If there’s a discussion like that, it’ll have to happen from a home playoff game because he sure as fuck never shows up on the road.
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does this shock anyone?
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Truthfully, i’m not sure what I think the best course of action would be. I will admit that if we were to move on from Dak, there isn’t anyone who could step in right now and replicate his performance that we could sign, trade, or draft for (realistically).
I just worry that giving him that deal is going to do more harm than good, and overall i’m just not impressed with Dak. The new staff is the only thing that gives me hope, and it’s better I suppose to set them up for success heading into year one.
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We have all the cap in the world this offseason and the Cowboys are still acting like they have no money. I'm not sure if it matters if we have Dak making bank or not. The Cowboys will continue to do what they do. Dumpster dive and draft. Not sure they will do much else regardless of the cap situation.
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About 74 million.
They want to sign Dak (33m?), Cooper (18-19m?), and Quinn (12?)— that’s already 64 million. They probably get discounts for the first contract year, but relatively small.
Then with remaining 10-12m they have to choose Cobb (6-8m?) or to rebuild the defense. Obviously there’s no room for Jones.
The draft has to be almost all defense.
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Today's top 5 salary is tomorrow's top 10 salary
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The problem with that system is that you are paying someone premium pay before they prove they are worth the amounts. The NFL system is completely out of step with convention. Smart businesses elevate pay increases after a stint of proven ability before they adjust salaries. The NFL postulates that a player will automatically be worth what they will pay them without actual track records and even guarantee to the employee that an enormous amount of the unproven agreement will be paid even if they are a bust. It’s an insane system and the owners are insane for not having a better control on their business.
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Their prioritization is certainly open to questioning. They cave in to a Zeke Elliott holdout and make him the league's highest-paid running back,. He then proceeds to go out and have his worst year as a pro.
And then they inexplicably rush to pay Jaylon Smith, who disappoints as well. All while getting nothing done with either Prescott or Cooper, while contracts for both positions make huge jumps.
Meanwhile, teams like the Rams, Falcons, Saints, and Eagles get their top free agents locked up ahead of a new CBA that is about to send player salaries rocketing skyward. They locked in at the old rate. And now, thanks to sitting on their hands, the Cowboys are forced to either pay the new, higher rate, or watch someone else do it.
Shitty planning from the Jones boys.
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Maybe he’ll be worth his new contract by the time Wednesday rolls around.
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Like smart businesses, would you recommend NFL owners to only provide MBO contracts where total compensation is based on something like a 50/50 split with 50% salary and 50% commission?
Negotiations would be based on $ rates per key performance indicators. QBs get $5M for playoff berth, $250k-per-TD pass, etc...
You’d get more player bickering with play calling, more selfish and stat-driven play, but that’s how it is in business.
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This is akin to incentive portioned contracts and has merit especially when renewing rookie expired contracts. A lot of the contract problems is with rookie expiring players contracts when they have made a reasonable performance and they take the position they should be in the top tier of their position. The current system leaves no wiggle room for the owner to get a fair shake with guaranteed money. Perhaps the incentives should be structured to allocate money into an incentive account and the players yearly performance is an accrual of money’s they have met the incentives to go in part to a guaranteed amount. There are many ways to flip the system around on incentive coupled with base salaries that pay only after performances and not before the season starts.
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Cowboys positional review: How does Dallas see Dak Prescott fitting into future?
By Jon Machota Mar 4, 2020
With the start of NFL free agency only a couple of weeks away and the draft less than two months down the road, we’re taking a look at the Cowboys roster to see where it has depth and where it will need help in the near future.
This nine-part series begins with the most important position: Quarterback.
How they performed in 2019:
For the fourth consecutive season, Dak Prescott started every game for the Cowboys, throwing for career highs of 4,902 yards and 30 touchdowns. His 99.7 passer rating was the second-best of his career, trailing only his rookie season when he posted a 104.9 rating.
Most thought Prescott would receive a new contract before the start of the 2019 season. Negotiations stalled in September, however, and they were tabled for the remainder of the season as the quarterback played under the final year of his rookie deal.
According to Football Outsiders, Prescott was on the field for 1,124 snaps, which represented 99.6 percent of Dallas’ offensive plays last season. Backup quarterback Cooper Rush took only five snaps. The only quarterbacks to take more snaps than Prescott were Carson Wentz (1,169), Jameis Winston (1,149) and Tom Brady (1,142).
Prescott was in the MVP conversation through the first 11 weeks of the season. But following a three-touchdown, 444-yard day at Detroit in mid-November, his play started to drop off. Prescott wasn’t as effective in the wet and windy conditions in New England. The offense struggled to get anything going until it was too late the following two games against the Bills and Bears. Prescott then injured his throwing shoulder during a Week 15 win over the Rams, causing him to be off his game the following week in a season-deciding loss at Philadelphia. Prescott said the injury would not require offseason surgery.
Prescott, 26, knows he is far from a finished product. He has spent the last two offseasons improving his mechanics while working with 3DQB coach John Beck. One of the adjustments to his throwing motion included keeping his back leg planted longer, allowing him to throw with better accuracy. He’s expected to continue working with Beck this offseason.
The future:
The expectation is that the Cowboys will enter the 2020 season with the same two quarterbacks active on gamedays. Prescott will be the starter, and Rush will be the backup.
Despite his current contract situation, Prescott is not expected to hit free agency. Next Tuesday marks the deadline for NFL teams to place the franchise tag on a player on their roster. If the Cowboys are unable to work out a long-term deal with Prescott by then, they will use the exclusive rights tag, keeping him in Dallas for another season at roughly $33 million and also extending the window to negotiate a long-term extension. Despite outside speculation about possibly kicking the tires on signing Brady or any other veteran free-agent quarterback, that’s not part of Dallas’ plan. The Cowboys are convinced Prescott is their franchise QB even though many are questioning their commitment because he is still without a new contract. The plan is to make him one of the game’s highest-paid players.
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones met with Prescott’s representatives last week during the NFL combine in Indianapolis. It was the first face-to-face meeting between the two parties since September. Last week, Jones compared his feelings about having Prescott going forward to the same feelings he has about having his son, Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones, with the franchise.
“There’s no going forward without Stephen or one of your family members,” Jerry Jones said, “so you got to get it figured out … Of course we’re going to keep his rights. It’s not a sensitive thing. There’s already been more put on the table to show that we’re going to do everything it takes. When you start talking about this kind of money, the top end of it is not an indication of how you feel. It’s pretty hard to deny you’re interested if you’re willing to pay $100 but not willing to pay $101. You’re interested and trying to act right. It’s just a question of getting it done.”
If the tag is placed on Prescott, he could choose to skip the voluntary portion of the team’s offseason program, a less-than-ideal scenario for any team much less one with a new head coach. The Cowboys need their franchise quarterback to be at these workouts to help install any changes Mike McCarthy is looking to make to the offense.
“It’s not a concern of mine,” Jerry Jones said. “Dak understands, in my mind, one of the great things about Dak is his commitment to building a team. I don’t have an issue there.”
How things could change this offseason:
No major changes are likely at the position. Rush is a restricted free agent, but the Cowboys are expected to tender him, meaning they would be able to match any offer another team made. With all the holes they have on defense, it’s unlikely they would be willing to spend much in free agency or use a late-round pick on a potential backup QB. They’ll likely sign an undrafted player after the draft to have another arm for offseason work.
By Jon Machota Mar 4, 2020
With the start of NFL free agency only a couple of weeks away and the draft less than two months down the road, we’re taking a look at the Cowboys roster to see where it has depth and where it will need help in the near future.
This nine-part series begins with the most important position: Quarterback.
How they performed in 2019:
For the fourth consecutive season, Dak Prescott started every game for the Cowboys, throwing for career highs of 4,902 yards and 30 touchdowns. His 99.7 passer rating was the second-best of his career, trailing only his rookie season when he posted a 104.9 rating.
Most thought Prescott would receive a new contract before the start of the 2019 season. Negotiations stalled in September, however, and they were tabled for the remainder of the season as the quarterback played under the final year of his rookie deal.
According to Football Outsiders, Prescott was on the field for 1,124 snaps, which represented 99.6 percent of Dallas’ offensive plays last season. Backup quarterback Cooper Rush took only five snaps. The only quarterbacks to take more snaps than Prescott were Carson Wentz (1,169), Jameis Winston (1,149) and Tom Brady (1,142).
Prescott was in the MVP conversation through the first 11 weeks of the season. But following a three-touchdown, 444-yard day at Detroit in mid-November, his play started to drop off. Prescott wasn’t as effective in the wet and windy conditions in New England. The offense struggled to get anything going until it was too late the following two games against the Bills and Bears. Prescott then injured his throwing shoulder during a Week 15 win over the Rams, causing him to be off his game the following week in a season-deciding loss at Philadelphia. Prescott said the injury would not require offseason surgery.
Prescott, 26, knows he is far from a finished product. He has spent the last two offseasons improving his mechanics while working with 3DQB coach John Beck. One of the adjustments to his throwing motion included keeping his back leg planted longer, allowing him to throw with better accuracy. He’s expected to continue working with Beck this offseason.
The future:
The expectation is that the Cowboys will enter the 2020 season with the same two quarterbacks active on gamedays. Prescott will be the starter, and Rush will be the backup.
Despite his current contract situation, Prescott is not expected to hit free agency. Next Tuesday marks the deadline for NFL teams to place the franchise tag on a player on their roster. If the Cowboys are unable to work out a long-term deal with Prescott by then, they will use the exclusive rights tag, keeping him in Dallas for another season at roughly $33 million and also extending the window to negotiate a long-term extension. Despite outside speculation about possibly kicking the tires on signing Brady or any other veteran free-agent quarterback, that’s not part of Dallas’ plan. The Cowboys are convinced Prescott is their franchise QB even though many are questioning their commitment because he is still without a new contract. The plan is to make him one of the game’s highest-paid players.
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones met with Prescott’s representatives last week during the NFL combine in Indianapolis. It was the first face-to-face meeting between the two parties since September. Last week, Jones compared his feelings about having Prescott going forward to the same feelings he has about having his son, Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones, with the franchise.
“There’s no going forward without Stephen or one of your family members,” Jerry Jones said, “so you got to get it figured out … Of course we’re going to keep his rights. It’s not a sensitive thing. There’s already been more put on the table to show that we’re going to do everything it takes. When you start talking about this kind of money, the top end of it is not an indication of how you feel. It’s pretty hard to deny you’re interested if you’re willing to pay $100 but not willing to pay $101. You’re interested and trying to act right. It’s just a question of getting it done.”
If the tag is placed on Prescott, he could choose to skip the voluntary portion of the team’s offseason program, a less-than-ideal scenario for any team much less one with a new head coach. The Cowboys need their franchise quarterback to be at these workouts to help install any changes Mike McCarthy is looking to make to the offense.
“It’s not a concern of mine,” Jerry Jones said. “Dak understands, in my mind, one of the great things about Dak is his commitment to building a team. I don’t have an issue there.”
How things could change this offseason:
No major changes are likely at the position. Rush is a restricted free agent, but the Cowboys are expected to tender him, meaning they would be able to match any offer another team made. With all the holes they have on defense, it’s unlikely they would be willing to spend much in free agency or use a late-round pick on a potential backup QB. They’ll likely sign an undrafted player after the draft to have another arm for offseason work.