Cowboys at Chargers | Week 4 Game Day Chatter Thread | 09/29/2013

[NoDak]

I would rather have a complete unknown to something that has proven time and time again they can not get it done. The chance at something positive is better than the guaranteed shit sandwich. If that unknown sucks too, try again. Better than doing NOTHING when you already know the results.

 

[Smitty]

Yea, but Garrett is not better than 11-5 with a division title. I hated Wade as much as you did, but that right there, along with his other playoff appearances in other stops is much more of an accomplishment than anything Garrett has done here.

Wade visited 11-5 on his way to the bottom. He was never gonna do that again here. Or even get out of the gutter. He was rock bottom when we fired him. 1-7 was the product of accumulation of his lax style. You can't say he coached different in 2009 than 2010. It was the same, it's just that his style leads to collapse.

That's completely worthless in my book. So his achievements mean shit to me because they aren't sustainable, unless he won a Super Bowl, which he didn't.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Yea, but Garrett is not better than 11-5 with a division title. I hated Wade as much as you did, but that right there, along with his other playoff appearances in other stops is much more of an accomplishment than anything Garrett has done here.

Wade is getting too much credit for what he inherited, sort of like Switzer. Some act like Barry was a good hire because we won a SB. But when you look at how he inherited back-to-back SB champions still in their prime and then 4 years later had them at 6-10 it just shows how pathetic that hire was.

Same with Wade. He had the fortune of taking over a team that had just been re-assembled by BP. Those Cowboy teams in the years right after BP left were prime to make a major move. Yet all we got out of it was one fricking wildcard win. Then it started falling apart once Wade's stench started taking over, but like Switzer's team did once we got further removed from the Jimmy years.

 

[Clay_Allison]

I'd take a reasonable gamble. A guy who had been coaching in the Canadian football league the past couple years would not be. McCoy or Bradley are complete unknowns and not hot names on the upswing, so they aren't reasonable gambles either.

Find a good name and I'm aboard.

Pete Carmichael, Jr. He ran the offense in New Orleans in Sean Payton's absence and Brees still led the league in yards and TDs. If we can't have Payton himself, we might as well have a guy off his tree that can install a top passing attack.

 

[Deuce]

I'd take a reasonable gamble. A guy who had been coaching in the Canadian football league the past couple years would not be. McCoy or Bradley are complete unknowns and not hot names on the upswing, so they aren't reasonable gambles either.

Find a good name and I'm aboard.

Why are McCoy and Bradley not hot names? Arguably the best Coordinators on their side of the ball over the last 2-3 seassons.

 

[Smitty]

Carmichael is probably one of the less despised names I've heard but I'm not willing to pull the trigger on that move.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Carmichael is probably one of the less despised names I've heard but I'm not willing to pull the trigger on that move.

Of course not. 8-8 is wonderful.

 

[Simpleton]

I'd take a reasonable gamble. A guy who had been coaching in the Canadian football league the past couple years would not be. McCoy or Bradley are complete unknowns and not hot names on the upswing, so they aren't reasonable gambles either.

Find a good name and I'm aboard.

Greg Roman, the 49ers offensive coordinator.

 

[NoDak]

Wade visited 11-5 on his way to the bottom. He was never gonna do that again here. Or even get out of the gutter. He was rock bottom when we fired him. 1-7 was the product of accumulation of his lax style. You can't say he coached different in 2009 than 2010. It was the same, it's just that his style leads to collapse.

That's completely worthless in my book. So his achievements mean shit to me because they aren't sustainable, unless he won a Super Bowl, which he didn't.

Fair enough.

What achievements of Garrett's do mean something to you? Enough where you'd want to hang on to him until somebody like Parcells shakes loose? (your words)

 

[Clay_Allison]

How awesome was Mike McCarthy's resume before he was hired? How great did Sean Payton look on paper? How are McCoy, Roman, Carmichael, or Bradley any worse than them?

 

[VA Cowboy]

We need a HC. No doubt coordinators are hired all the time to be HC's and some turn out great. But with Jerry, that just plays into his hands of not really having a quality HC. Just like with Gailey, Campo, Wade and Garrett he has proven he basically wants a glorified coordinator as opposed to having to hire a real HC.

But I've pretty much given up hope we'll ever go out for a quality HC again as long as Jerry is alive. We'll keep settling for Jerry-friendly easy to control puppets. And I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the next HC isn't already on staff. It makes it even easier for Jerry to just promote a current assistant like he did with Campo and Garrett than to have to hire someone he doesn't already know. If I were a betting man I'd put my money on Callahan or Marinelli.

 

[Clay_Allison]

We need a HC. No doubt coordinators are hired all the time to be HC's and some turn out great. But with Jerry, that just plays into his hands of not really having a quality HC. Just like with Gailey, Campo, Wade and Garrett he has proven he basically wants a glorified coordinator as opposed to having to hire a real HC.

But I've pretty much given up hope we'll ever go out for a quality HC again as long as Jerry is alive. We'll keep settling for Jerry-friendly easy to control puppets. And I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the next HC isn't already on staff. It makes it even easier for Jerry to just promote a current assistant like he did with Campo and Garrett than to have to hire someone he doesn't already know. If I were a betting man I'd put my money on Callahan or Marinelli.

I think he'd keep Garrett rather than make a move that small.

 

[Simpleton]

No way will Jerry fire Garrett just to promote from within, he'd roll with Garrett another year. Knowing how Jerry operates I'd guess he would go after an established veteran HC if he were to fire Garrett, probably Gruden or Lovie.

 

[superpunk]

welcome to overreaction Monday

 

[UncleMilti]

So what are you trying to say, Unc?

Choose your words wisely.

I'm saying this team is bad.

 

[UncleMilti]

Again. I don't give a shit about Wade Fucking Phillips. Ancient History.

I'm talking about that pile of moldy dogshit with red hair that is currently wearing a headset for no apparent reason.

I have 2 Cowboys shirts left. What size do you wear?

 

[NoDak]

I have 2 Cowboys shirts left. What size do you wear?

XL

Thanks.

 

[1bigfan13]

The only statistic that matters to me was that Wade finished his tenure here 1-7. He lost control of the team like I knew he would. Being able to resurrect 1-7 to 8-8 is better.

Not an agenda, just the facts. Wade was no better than a 1-7 coach when he departed here and Garrett is better than that.

To do better than Garrett, we don't have to ask "who is better than 1-7?" We have to ask "who is better than 8-8?" And that question hadn't received an adequate answer yet.

So if the Steelers finish with 3 or fewer wins does that mean Garrett is a better coach than Mike Tomlin?

Because you're coming off as if coaches can only be measured by their floor rather than their ceiling.

 

[UncleMilti]

welcome to overreaction Monday

Nah...its legitimate.

 

[UncleMilti]

XL

Thanks.

FU