2023 Season | Conference Championship Round | Gameday Chatter Thread | 1/28/2024

[Bill Shatner]

Dan Campbell getting a lot of support.

THAT'S WHO THEY ARE!!

 

[p1_]

I think KC would’ve rolled Detroit.

 

[Rev]

Dan Campbell getting a lot of support.

THAT'S WHO THEY ARE!!

Having gone through a Mike Leach coaching stint I am more open and forgiving to a team and their 4th down conversions.

I was fine with the first one and I get it. I was, however, not fine with the play selection. Run the damn ball on that one. Had success all night long.

I was not fine with the second one at all.

 

[Bill Shatner]

Yep, just like the sun rising....not Lamar's fault.....game plan was shit.

 

[Bill Shatner]

Also just as I figured, everyone is doubling down on Mahomes being the best of all times already,

I don't know if it is recency bias or a desperation for anyone with a little color in their skin to be the best.

 

[Tony D]

Having gone through a Mike Leach coaching stint I am more open and forgiving to a team and their 4th down conversions.

I was fine with the first one and I get it. I was, however, not fine with the play selection. Run the damn ball on that one. Had success all night long.

I was not fine with the second one at all.

I wasn't fine with the first one.

 

[1bigfan13]

I have a friend who is also a Lions fan and he said "we'll be back". They might. It looks that way. However, that's not how it works in sports. You have to seize each and every opportunity. And a 17 point lead in and NFC Championship game is a huge opportunity.

This is why I'd be pissed at Dan Campbell if I were a Lions fan. It's one thing to be reckless with your decision making during the regular season, but the stakes were too high to flippantly leave points on the field.

 

[Rev]

I wasn't fine with the first one.

Opinions are great aren't they? We can both have ours.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Also just as I figured, everyone is doubling down on Mahomes being the best of all times already,

I don't know if it is recency bias or a desperation for anyone with a little color in their skin to be the best.

It's recency bias.

I remember when people pushed Marino, then Montana, then Favre, then Peyton, then Brady, now Mahomes.

Unfortunately people are fickle and have a recency bias.

 

[1bigfan13]

Dan Campbell getting a lot of support.

THAT'S WHO THEY ARE!!

I watched some of Get Up this morning and to no surprise it was a disgusting lovefest for Campbell's decisions.

That's how most of mainstream sports media is now. If they like you they make excuses for you and create narratives to support poor play and poor coaching decisions. If Mike McCarthy made those exact same decisions yesterday he'd get slaughtered the entire offseason, and rightfully so.

Rex Ryan in particular showed his bias. Ryan has spent most of the last 3 seasons slamming Brandon Staley for being too reckless and full of himself. He then turns around this morning and had nothing but high praise for Dan Campbell's risky decision.

Listen to this clip from Jan 2023. If you close your eyes you'd swear he were talking about Dan Campbell. Fast forward to today and he's completely onboard with managing the game recklessly.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Having gone through a Mike Leach coaching stint I am more open and forgiving to a team and their 4th down conversions.

I was fine with the first one and I get it. I was, however, not fine with the play selection. Run the damn ball on that one. Had success all night long.

I was not fine with the second one at all.

I wasn’t fine with either of them. Take the fucking points and force SF to try to increase the number of possessions needed to win. Had they kicked the FGs, they would’ve won the game. Going for it both times only proved how little Dan Campbell knows about situational football. Stupid maverick shit is tolerable in the regular season, but you don’t pull those stunts in the playoffs, especially when a Super Bowl berth is on the line.

 

[1bigfan13]

Having gone through a Mike Leach coaching stint I am more open and forgiving to a team and their 4th down conversions.

I was fine with the first one and I get it. I was, however, not fine with the play selection. Run the damn ball on that one. Had success all night long.

I was not fine with the second one at all.

No level-headed person should be fine with the second one. At that point in the game you have to at least go for the tie.

 

[boozeman]

No level-headed person should be fine with the second one. At that point in the game you have to at least go for the tie.

It was about as smart as getting tricky with offensive linemen reporting.

 

[1bigfan13]

I wasn’t fine with either of them. Take the fucking points and force SF to try to increase the number of possessions needed to win. Had they kicked the FGs, they would’ve won the game. Going for it both times only proved how little Dan Campbell knows about situational football. Stupid maverick shit is tolerable in the regular season, but you don’t pull those stunts in the playoffs, especially when a Super Bowl berth is on the line.

For the sake of Lions fans hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson about time and place for those type of decisions. Unfortunately it took him pissing away a trip to the Super Bowl to drive home the point.

This was literally a once in a lifetime opportunity for that fan base. Sucks that it had to end like that all because the head coach couldn't check his ego.

 

[Genghis Khan]

For the sake of Lions fans hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson about time and place for those type of decisions. Unfortunately it took him pissing away a trip to the Super Bowl to drive home the point.

This was literally a once in a lifetime opportunity for that fan base. Sucks that it had to end like that all because the head coach couldn't check his ego.

One of the reasons I advocated for firing him after the game is that I think it's highly unlikely he learns from this.

The people who advocate for this hyper aggressive decision making defend it as a numbers game. They'll say you shouldn't make these decisions based on the outcome but rather based on the probability of success. So if you make these decisions 10 times you'll be successful maybe 7 times and it sucks the 3 times it doesn't work out but you'll be successful more often than not and better off long term.

And so they don't learn because that would be outcome based and "foolish".

And when you look at the history of guys that follow this philosophy - Doug Pederson for example - they don't change they just are who they are.

Campbell has already cost them a chance in a couple games in the regular season and now this. Garrett was supposed to "learn on the job" too except he never did.

I think the best way to approach decisions is through logic rather than be beholden to tradition or on the other end of the spectrum aggressive analytics. And that logic, you either have intuitively or you don't.

The Lions won't move on (realistically no team probably would, and the Lions especially so because this is the best they've done in like 60 years), but I'd bet this is the furthest Campbell ever takes them and if he knew how to manage a game logically they'd be playing for a super bowl in 2 weeks.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Rev]

I wasn’t fine with either of them. Take the fucking points and force SF to try to increase the number of possessions needed to win. Had they kicked the FGs, they would’ve won the game. Going for it both times only proved how little Dan Campbell knows about situational football. Stupid maverick shit is tolerable in the regular season, but you don’t pull those stunts in the playoffs, especially when a Super Bowl berth is on the line.

Until you can prove that the 49ers wouldn't have done that then all we have are opinions. I'm fine with it because I know the out come could have been even better than 3 points. Just totally disagree with the play call but in all honesty I probably would have chickened out for the reasons you stated above.

 

[Texas Ace]

It was about as smart as getting tricky with offensive linemen reporting.

Again, that's why I said last night that he reminded me of those gambling addicts who can't take losing so they keep gambling to try and make up for their losses but instead just keep on shooting themselves in the foot.

That 2 pt thing and his insistence on passing up the FG last night told me that he just couldn't take the L so he was intent on making up for it.

 

[data]

Should somehow make Cowboys vs Ravens a playoff game. Between Prescott and Lamar Jackson’s choking, someone will be forced to win.

 

[Texas Ace]

Until you can prove that the 49ers wouldn't have done that then all we have are opinions. I'm fine with it because I know the out come could have been even better than 3 points. Just totally disagree with the play call but in all honesty I probably would have chickened out for the reasons you stated above.

But at that point in the game do you really think it was worth the risk to go up 21 instead of 17 when the latter also puts you up 3 possessions and shortens the game for the 49ers?