Jiggyfly
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How in the hell do you put this on Obama?
Show me one instance of him saying anything close to cops have a racism problem, dude your Obama hate is over the top.
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How in the hell do you put this on Obama?
Show me one instance of him saying anything close to cops have a racism problem, dude your Obama hate is over the top.
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Hey, dude, you can breathe just fine. DON'T BREAK THE LAW AND WE WON'T HAVE TO EXECUTE YOU!
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Let's not be ignorant of the things the president says and does Jiggs. folk on the left are real fond of talking about "hidden language" or "code words" that others say that are supposedly racist remarks. So let's just understand while he may not come right out and say cops are racist, if you read or listen to his words and watch his behavior, and see what he does with his lap dog Holder, his "code" is clear to see.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/president-barack-obama-eric-garner-nypd-american-problem-brown-problem
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-discusses-racism-police-mistrust-progress-article-1.2038454
Fear of trust of people who look different? Really?
President Obama is all about divide and keeping people apart as it benefits him and his party to keep racial tensions going. When has he ever stood on the side of a white person (or police officer) being in the right when it involved a national incident? AND, I didn't just put it on the president. I put it on the New York Mayor, the president, the Sheila Jackson Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson, the local democrats I listened to the night of the Ferguson ruling, and any of the folk, white or black that spewed the crap about how blacks can't get a fair shake and there was no justice done. And the morons that said the folk who were rioting were justified. You and I can totally disagree about the president. You can even disagree with me about certain recent events, but opinion aside, if you look at the president's history of action, he has never been a true supporter of police or of racial harmony. Discord totally works in his and the Democrats favor in a twisted sort of way.
And lastly, I don't hate the man, I hate his policies, his behavior, his actions, his politics, everything he does that tells me he wants this country to be more like Europe and other socialistic type governments and his willingness to lie, or break laws to get there.
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If you really believe that and it's obvious you do its really nothing for us to discuss.
You are showing you have a real bias against Obama, I don't agree with a lot of what was said after Ferguson but to try and lay that at Obamas feet is well, I don't know any other way to say this but.........ignorant.
You can keep saying you have nothing against Obama but you obviously do because his policies are not drastically different than any of the the last 2 presidents.
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Obama makes a lot of statements to fuel the fires of racial discord. Every time there's a race related situation he has to have a soundbite to fan the flames. His unnecessary Trayvon comments are a good example.
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He is only fanning the flames if you disagree with what he is saying.
Forts act like he is going all kill whitey.
Obama has been very measured when talking about race is he not supposed to comment at all?
Just because you do not like what he said about the Treyvon situation does not mean they were uneccesary and they certainly were not anti cop.
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He is only fanning the flames if you disagree with what he is saying.
Forts act like he is going all kill whitey.
Obama has been very measured when talking about race is he not supposed to comment at all?
Just because you do not like what he said about the Treyvon situation does not mean they were uneccesary and they certainly were not anti cop.
I'm not talking about anti-cop, I'm talking about trying to be a part of every news item that has a race element. And basically saying "that damned mexican killed my imaginary son" was weird and over the top.
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If thats what you took out of what he said that's a reflection of you not him.
And he has not commented on every news item that has a race element, once again a reflection of your bias.
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He should be neutral about these matters. He is after all president of all the citizens of the USA. Anything that has the appearance of bias should be left unsaid by him and left to the system of the country to resolve.
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The fact that you didn't see anything weird about "my hypothetical son would have looked like Trayvon" then that reflects your bias, not mine.
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Because Mr. 9/11 himself, Rudy G. told him what to say in interviews earlier that day. And yes, he was also able to evoke 9/11 into his insipid nonsense.
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Huh?
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Anyone remember Jiggy going this hard to defend either Bush or Clinton? A republican and a Democrat. But I don't remember him defending either of them even a fraction as much as this president. Hell, he's said himself that Obama's policies are not drastically different than any of the last 2 presidents.
So, it can't really be that he's sticking up for the R or the D. I wonder why he defends this one so vehemently...?
So, it can't really be that he's sticking up for the R or the D. I wonder why he defends this one so vehemently...?
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How can you possibly say that? Did any of the previous 2 presidents use Chicago style tactics to take over 1/6th of the economy? Did any of the previous presidents sign an illegal executive order trying to give millions of illegal aliens legal status? Did any of the previous presidents outright lie to citizens when trying to get his signature legislation approved even after it had been forced through Congress by solely Democrat votes. Dude, I have already explained my bias against this president and his policies. I have told you already how I felt and what I believe. And, that even a Republican president that behaved as he does would earn my scorn. But no matter what he does, you cannot see or if you do admit, that this president does anything out of bounds or flat out wrong. Like Carl said, he never fails to miss a chance when a "major" racial incident occurs to stick his nose in and comment improperly. Just the 3 I mentioned before are the prime examples. Obviously he doesn't on everyone. I have already mentioned how I thought things of that nature should be handled by a president of any party or race so no need to discuss it again. I have said before once the president was elected I wanted him to be great. Too bad he has settled for Chicago style politics, lies and deceptions and being a divider rather than a healer. He and his congressional lapdogs Reid and Pillosi are all the same person whether white or black and I will be glad when they are all gone from their positions. But the current president is still the lead head of this run-amock monster.
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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, killed man who pulled gun
Associated Press
By JIM SUHR, Associated Press
1 hr ago
BERKELEY, Mo. (AP) — A suburban St. Louis police officer shot and killed a man who pointed a gun at him at a gas station late Tuesday, police said.
A crowd of about 100 people were gathered early Wednesday at the scene in Berkeley, Missouri, a few miles from Ferguson, where a white police officer fatally shot black 18-year-old Michael Brown in August.
According to a statement from St. Louis County police spokesman Sgt. Brian Schellman, a Berkeley police officer was conducting a routine business check at a gas station around 11:15 p.m. Tuesday when he saw two men and approached them.
One of the men pulled a handgun and pointed it at the officer, Schellman said. The officer fired several shots, striking and fatally wounding the man.
The second man fled, and the dead man's handgun has been recovered, according to Schellman.
The St. Louis County Police Department is handling the investigation, and no further details about the incident were immediately available.
Authorities did not immediately identify the man who was shot. But the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that a woman at the scene, Toni Martin, said he was her son, 18-year-old Antonio Martin.
Toni Martin told the newspaper that her son was with his girlfriend at the time of the shooting.
The protesters who gathered early Wednesday milled around the gas pumps at the station, some taunting and yelling at police officers.
Some had strands of yellow police-line tape draped around their neck, with others using it as a headband.
Authorities from multiple agencies, some in riot gear, stood among the protesters.
Across the street, another gas station's glass doors were shattered, and police were standing outside the door, turning people away.
Orlando Brown, 36, of nearby St. Charles was among the protesters. He said he didn't have all the details about the shooting but said he wondered if it was a case of police aggression.
"I understand police officers have a job and have an obligation to go home to their families at the end of the night," he said. "But do you have to treat every situation with lethal force? ... It's not a racial issue, or black or white. It's wrong or right."
Brown said he was pepper-sprayed during the protest as police tried to separate him from a friend whose hand he was holding. He said his friend was arrested for failing to disperse.
Neither Schellman nor Berkeley police could immediately confirm that pepper spray was used or that arrests were made. Photos from the scene showed authorities scuffling with at least a few protesters.
Brown's death led to weeks of protests and some looting in the St. Louis area, actions that were renewed last month when a grand jury chose not to indict Officer Darren Wilson.
Associated Press
By JIM SUHR, Associated Press
1 hr ago
BERKELEY, Mo. (AP) — A suburban St. Louis police officer shot and killed a man who pointed a gun at him at a gas station late Tuesday, police said.
A crowd of about 100 people were gathered early Wednesday at the scene in Berkeley, Missouri, a few miles from Ferguson, where a white police officer fatally shot black 18-year-old Michael Brown in August.
According to a statement from St. Louis County police spokesman Sgt. Brian Schellman, a Berkeley police officer was conducting a routine business check at a gas station around 11:15 p.m. Tuesday when he saw two men and approached them.
One of the men pulled a handgun and pointed it at the officer, Schellman said. The officer fired several shots, striking and fatally wounding the man.
The second man fled, and the dead man's handgun has been recovered, according to Schellman.
The St. Louis County Police Department is handling the investigation, and no further details about the incident were immediately available.
Authorities did not immediately identify the man who was shot. But the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that a woman at the scene, Toni Martin, said he was her son, 18-year-old Antonio Martin.
Toni Martin told the newspaper that her son was with his girlfriend at the time of the shooting.
The protesters who gathered early Wednesday milled around the gas pumps at the station, some taunting and yelling at police officers.
Some had strands of yellow police-line tape draped around their neck, with others using it as a headband.
Authorities from multiple agencies, some in riot gear, stood among the protesters.
Across the street, another gas station's glass doors were shattered, and police were standing outside the door, turning people away.
Orlando Brown, 36, of nearby St. Charles was among the protesters. He said he didn't have all the details about the shooting but said he wondered if it was a case of police aggression.
"I understand police officers have a job and have an obligation to go home to their families at the end of the night," he said. "But do you have to treat every situation with lethal force? ... It's not a racial issue, or black or white. It's wrong or right."
Brown said he was pepper-sprayed during the protest as police tried to separate him from a friend whose hand he was holding. He said his friend was arrested for failing to disperse.
Neither Schellman nor Berkeley police could immediately confirm that pepper spray was used or that arrests were made. Photos from the scene showed authorities scuffling with at least a few protesters.
Brown's death led to weeks of protests and some looting in the St. Louis area, actions that were renewed last month when a grand jury chose not to indict Officer Darren Wilson.
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Wait, so the guy supposedly pulls a gun on police, they shoot him, and it's police aggression? At least the gent seemed fair in his comments until that one. I pray for the family of the shot guy and the officer obviously was thinking smart in having his throw down weapon with him. 
Sheesh.
Sheesh.
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How the hell could I go hard for Clinton there was not even a board then.
As for Bush I had no particular problem with him outside of the whole Gulf War thing and even then it was not until I realized how much they lied about WMD's.
The real question is why do so many people have a problem with Obama when he is essentially Bush II?
I am not one to blame a president for everything or crown them, as for Obama I think he is decidedley average, my issue is with people blaming him for shit he has not done.
And lets get real nobody was talking much about politics until the end of the Bush presidency, but thats never stopped you from trying to pin something on me before.
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How the hell could I go hard for Clinton there was not even a board then.
As for Bush I had no particular problem with him outside of the whole Gulf War thing and even then it was not until I realized how much they lied about WMD's.
The real question is why do so many people have a problem with Obama when he is essentially Bush II?
I am not one to blame a president for everything or crown them, as for Obama I think he is decidedley average, my issue is with people blaming him for shit he has not done.
And lets get real nobody was talking much about politics until the end of the Bush presidency, but thats never stopped you from trying to pin something on me before.
You keep saying he is essentially Bush 2, but that is only true in some of his policy thoughts. Bush was in favor of immigration reform like his brother, but never would he have made an executive order of the nature this president did. And all that crap that they just used to justify it about using prosecutorial discretion is a croc. His intent is also to allow illegals the ability to work in some form or fashion which takes it from the realm of prosecutorial discretion to essentially legalizing them. That is where this executive order should and will hopefully fail. Bush would never have done what this president and the Democrats did with health care reform. Lying to citizens about what would happen to and for them and then ramming down their throats despite a majority not wanting it.
Bush never spoke to, or about his predecessor and Democrats like this president and his bunch of cronies do and did and even now 43 keeps his mouth closed about the goings on in politics. I bet money Obama won't.
Bush treated allies with respect and would never have invited known terrorist to the white house.
So those are only a few of the major differences. A man who had a modicum of class and respect for his office and country vs a man that has little to none.
Again I say to you, I didn't agree with Bush all the time. He spent far too much money, was an immigration reform guy vs security first among other things, but budgetary wise he and every president before him are no where in the same cosmic realm when it comes to spending like this president.
So please enlighten me, how Obama is Bush 44?
Please