Texas voter ID law “will take effect immediately,” says Attorney General Greg Abbott

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I caught some flak from friends on Facebook last year when this issue came up because I said didn't see how this was an issue.

In every other thing we do in this country from checking out library books, making purchases, creating your initial accounts for home utilities, etc. you have to produce some form of ID. So I fail to see how it is targeted racism to ask someone to produce ID before they are allowed to do something as important as casting a vote.

Then I hear, "But what about the low-income who can't afford a $15 government ID?"

Know what I say to that? Go into just about any home of a low-income family and I guarantee they have Xbox 360s, Playstations, DVD players, Jordans, etc. If they can find money to buy items like that, then they can scrape together a few bucks for an ID card. ~steps off soap box~
 
There you have it. The black man hath spoken. This is not racist.
 
Iamtdg said:
You, sir, might be infected with white guilt. I would get that looked at if I were you.
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It's true, I'm not black so I don't know if something is offensive or racist to a black person.

At least that's what someone told me when it comes to Native Americans...
 
1bigfan13 said:
I caught some flak from friends on Facebook last year when this issue came up because I said didn't see how this was an issue.

In every other thing we do in this country from checking out library books, making purchases, creating your initial accounts for home utilities, etc. you have to produce some form of ID. So I fail to see how it is targeted racism to ask someone to produce ID before they are allowed to do something as important as casting a vote.

Then I hear, "But what about the low-income who can't afford a $15 government ID?"

Know what I say to that? Go into just about any home of a low-income family and I guarantee they have Xbox 360s, Playstations, DVD players, Jordans, etc. If they can find money to buy items like that, then they can scrape together a few bucks for an ID card. ~steps off soap box~
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This should be a game-ender for anybody who says it burdens minorities because they tend to be lower income.

Yeah, and voting tends to require driving to the polls too, which requires filling your gas tank with $20 bucks in gas. Gimme a break. It's the cost of living, it's nothing exhorbitant. Simple dishonesty by anyone who makes that argument.

That being said I do feel like I may have heard a more libertarian argument against voter ID laws that I gave some credence to.
 
dmo069 said:
If there is a better way to prevent voter fraud I'd like to hear it.
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The argument everyone makes against it is always a numbers game. That voter fraud is a tiny percent, while the number of people who don't have id's and won't be able to vote is far greater. It's the equivalent to disparate impact in employment discrimination.

I don't care if voter fraud is a large problem or a tiny problem, I don't see any problem with someone having to prove who they are before they vote. To me that only makes logical sense. Of course I don't have a problem not counting people's votes who don't have a positive impact on society. If you're a welfare whore I don't think your vote should count anyway. I'm already tired of just down right dumb people voting anyway. That's because I apparently don't have a soul when it comes to this stuff.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
The argument everyone makes against it is always a numbers game. That voter fraud is a tiny percent, while the number of people who don't have id's and won't be able to vote is far greater. It's the equivalent to disparate impact in employment discrimination.

I don't care if voter fraud is a large problem or a tiny problem, I don't see any problem with someone having to prove who they are before they vote. To me that only makes logical sense. Of course I don't have a problem not counting people's votes who don't have a positive impact on society. If you're a welfare whore I don't think your vote should count anyway. I'm already tired of just down right dumb people voting anyway. That's because I apparently don't have a soul when it comes to this stuff.
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Would you consider a 3/5's welfare law or some variant? :unsure
 
mschmidt64 said:
This should be a game-ender for anybody who says it burdens minorities because they tend to be lower income.

Yeah, and voting tends to require driving to the polls too, which requires filling your gas tank with $20 bucks in gas. Gimme a break. It's the cost of living, it's nothing exhorbitant. Simple dishonesty by anyone who makes that argument.

That being said I do feel like I may have heard a more libertarian argument against voter ID laws that I gave some credence to.
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It's just yet another way that our society allows its citizens to play the victim card. It's ridiculous.
 
1bigfan13 said:
I caught some flak from friends on Facebook last year when this issue came up because I said didn't see how this was an issue.

In every other thing we do in this country from checking out library books, making purchases, creating your initial accounts for home utilities, etc. you have to produce some form of ID. So I fail to see how it is targeted racism to ask someone to produce ID before they are allowed to do something as important as casting a vote.

Then I hear, "But what about the low-income who can't afford a $15 government ID?"

Know what I say to that? Go into just about any home of a low-income family and I guarantee they have Xbox 360s, Playstations, DVD players, Jordans, etc. If they can find money to buy items like that, then they can scrape together a few bucks for an ID card. ~steps off soap box~
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They are making IDs for free, so the argument is totally invalid.

“Redistricting maps passed by the Legislature
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:lol Anyone else see how incredibly fucking stupid it is to let the Legislature draw the redistricting maps?

I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't letting the party in power do it.
 
1bigfan13 said:
I caught some flak from friends on Facebook last year when this issue came up because I said didn't see how this was an issue.

In every other thing we do in this country from checking out library books, making purchases, creating your initial accounts for home utilities, etc. you have to produce some form of ID. So I fail to see how it is targeted racism to ask someone to produce ID before they are allowed to do something as important as casting a vote.

Then I hear, "But what about the low-income who can't afford a $15 government ID?"

Know what I say to that? Go into just about any home of a low-income family and I guarantee they have Xbox 360s, Playstations, DVD players, Jordans, etc. If they can find money to buy items like that, then they can scrape together a few bucks for an ID card. ~steps off soap box~
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And I'm sure there's a good chance you'll also find alcohol and/or cigarettes in the home. The last time I checked, many states require a photo ID to purchase those as well.
 
BipolarFan said:
:lol Anyone else see how incredibly fucking stupid it is to let the Legislature draw the redistricting maps?

I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't letting the party in power do it.
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My idea for redistricting is this: A grid system; evenly spaced vertical and horizontal lines down and across each state, and each district must have at least 3 right angles unless it is situated on a coast. You can't gerrymander shit with that structure.
 
Plan9Misfit said:
My idea for redistricting is this: A grid system; evenly spaced vertical and horizontal lines down and across each state, and each district must have at least 3 right angles unless it is situated on a coast. You can't gerrymander shit with that structure.
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Well, here in Texas we like to play dirty politics so that is not going to work for us.
 
Plan9Misfit said:
My idea for redistricting is this: A grid system; evenly spaced vertical and horizontal lines down and across each state, and each district must have at least 3 right angles unless it is situated on a coast. You can't gerrymander shit with that structure.
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Problem is you'd have one district with a million people and another with a thousand.
 
Clay_Allison said:
Problem is you'd have one district with a million people and another with a thousand.
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I'm well aware of what the "problems" are with that strategy, but I don't consider it to be a problem.
 
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