Pick 92: Jaishawn Barham EDGE/ILB/OLB

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Smitty said:
I dunno, Parsons and Ware probably similar quality. I guess Ware ended up hitting highs that Parsons hasn’t reached yet and may not ever.
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Exactly my point. And Ware never laid on a trainers table during a game because he was "too tired".
 
Genghis Khan said:
I wonder. I would have thought based on how he started that Parsons would be pushing 20 by now but never has.
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You have to wonder if the back issues become a real thing for Parsons. He plays so physical and reckless with his body at his size. I do think it's a legitimate concern that the impacts could add up and he could start to slow down.
 
Genghis Khan said:
I wonder. I would have thought based on how he started that Parsons would be pushing 20 by now but never has.
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20 is really rarified air. There are what, like 10 guys who have ever done it?

They have almost the exact same number of sacks in their career through 5 years.

Ware was like 8-11-20-11-18. Highs and lows.

Parsons is like 13-13-13-13-13 lol
 
Smitty said:
20 is really rarified air. There are what, like 10 guys who have ever done it?

They have almost the exact same number of sacks in their career through 5 years.

Ware was like 8-11-20-11-18. Highs and lows.

Parsons is like 13-13-13-13-13 lol
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What I mean though is that Parsons doesn't seem to have really improved from his rookie year.

He came in with like 13 sacks as a rookie and we were thinking, imagine what he'll be in 5 years. And here we are about 5 years later and he's kind of the same.
 
Genghis Khan said:
What I mean though is that Parsons doesn't seem to have really improved from his rookie year.

He came in with like 13 sacks as a rookie and we were thinking, imagine what he'll be in 5 years. And here we are about 5 years later and he's kind of the same.
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Yea in hindsight I think there's a limit to what a 6-3, 245 lb. guy with 31.5 inch arms can do. Mostly everything is based on his speed rush/burst, he doesn't have the size/length to weaponize other facets of his game.

Basically I think he peaked early.
 
Genghis Khan said:
What I mean though is that Parsons doesn't seem to have really improved from his rookie year.

He came in with like 13 sacks as a rookie and we were thinking, imagine what he'll be in 5 years. And here we are about 5 years later and he's kind of the same.
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In all fairness if the refs didn't allow O-lineman to hold the shit out of him he probably would have 20 sacks. Parsons really is one of the best pure pass rushers we have seen in the NFL. I don't think the sack numbers really are the whole story. Honestly I think was a better pure pass rusher than Ware. Ware was just a better all around player.
 
Yeah, I have to admit I think Micah was better for GB last year than he ever was here. But he also got hurt before his usual end of season fade, too.

I do think it's fair to say that he wasn't going to hold up at his size and lack of commitment to the weight room. Which might be exactly what happened. And now, who knows if he'll be the same.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Yeah, I have to admit I think Micah was better for GB last year than he ever was here. But he also got hurt before his usual end of season fade, too.

I do think it's fair to say that he wasn't going to hold up at his size and lack of commitment to the weight room. Which might be exactly what happened. And now, who knows if he'll be the same.
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Lawrence has the length Parsons doesn't, and he uses it to nice effect.

He's nowhere near as fast as Parsons, but he's fast enough and possibly just as and potentially more powerful.
 
ravidubey said:
He's nowhere near as fast as Parsons
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Hell no one is. Demarcus Ware wasn't that fast. Reese in this draft isn't that fast. Parsons is a freak among freaks athletically. The freaky thing about his speed is that it also comes with a ton of strength for a guy between 240 and 250 pounds. But pass rushing isn't just about speed. Plenty of guys have speed but never become great pass rushers. It's the combination of speed and power that makes the guy special.

Lawrence has elite speed and explosiveness. But he also has things like length, technique and strength going for him. I have really high hopes for the guy as an NFL double digit sack artist. I do think he has that potential and the sky is the limit from there. At worst I think he is a really good NFL pass rusher like a Josh Sweat type of guy.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Hell no one is. Demarcus Ware wasn't that fast. Reese in this draft isn't that fast. Parsons is a freak among freaks athletically. The freaky thing about his speed is that it also comes with a ton of strength for a guy between 240 and 250 pounds. But pass rushing isn't just about speed. Plenty of guys have speed but never become great pass rushers. It's the combination of speed and power that makes the guy special.
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Yep, to me what makes Micah so special is his power. Of course his speed is amazing, but I've never seen a 245 pound guy run right through big o-linemen like he can.

Seriously doubt Lawrence can ever do that, but that's okay, there are other ways to get it done.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Seriously doubt Lawrence can ever do that, but that's okay, there are other ways to get it done.
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And he doesn't have to be the same explosive pass rusher that Parsons is in order to be a great NFL player. I mean in terms of size/speed he is longer and faster than Will Anderson Jr. for example. A guy who just set the record for a contract as a pass rusher. He is a similar size and speed to Danielle Hunter coming out of college as well. Maybe even slightly faster. Hunter obviously developed into a monster in the NFL.

Again, there are more ways to be great than just being like Parsons. Lawrence isn't like Parsons. But he is also bigger, longer and a better run defending edge. And sure not all of them turn out to be great. But I think Lawrence comps well to a lot of guys who ultimately become double digit sack producers in the NFL. Even Josh Sweat who went in the fourth round to the Eagles but was a phenomenal athlete of a similar variety to Lawrence has a couple of double digit sack seasons to his resume and wasn't nearly as polished of a player as Lawrence is coming out.
 
Genghis Khan said:
What I mean though is that Parsons doesn't seem to have really improved from his rookie year.

He came in with like 13 sacks as a rookie and we were thinking, imagine what he'll be in 5 years. And here we are about 5 years later and he's kind of the same.
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But that’s still a Hall of Fame caliber player.
 
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