NBA Chatter Thread

Carp said:
Porter has not even played in college, yet totally acceptable to say he is a possible generational talent? Somehow though it is defensive for me to say Simmons is better. Well played.
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Yes it is possible, it's certainly more reasonable than you definitively saying he won't be as good as Simmons. He's already just as tall, just as explosive, looks like he has better length, and most importantly he looks like an elite shooter who can get his shot off over anybody due to his height/length, and at awkward angles like Durant. Obviously it depends on how he looks in college but if he performs as expected I think he will be more highly rated because of his shooting.

Simmons is a better passer/rebounder but I think he projects more as an Odom style player than a Lebron.
 
If this all goes down I think Saric really benefits from this. Simmons and Fultz are going to have some down days...Embiid as well, but I think Saric will be leaned upon as a scorer to take pressure off of the rookies.
 
So the Celtics will end up with Jackson at 3, LAL's unprotected pick next year and the Kings '19 pick with some protections.

lawl

Draft Jackson, sign Hayward and deal the Kings pick if it's top 5 protected or worse for Butler or George.

Holy shit.
 
Deuce said:
So the Celtics will end up with Jackson at 3, LAL's unprotected pick next year and the Kings '19 pick with some protections.

lawl

Draft Jackson, sign Hayward and deal the Kings pick if it's top 5 protected or worse for Butler or George.

Holy shit.
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They only get the Lakers pick if it's between 2-5 and if they don't get it they end up with the Kings 2019 pick. So they're going to get a good pick one way or the other but it's one, not two.
 
The Celtics' "overflowing backcourt" factored into their decision to pass on Markelle Fultz, according to Adam Himmelsbach of the Boston Globe.
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Just as I said a few months ago when I said the Celtics should be looking to cash in on their assets with someone like Butler or George because the strength of this draft does not mesh with how their roster is currently built.

And honestly I don't really see what drafting Jackson and then signing Hayward does but keep them right in the middle of two strategies, still not good enough to beat LeBron and certainly not the Warriors now, and still kind of just building for the future while staying competitive now. If the strategy is to be competitive but not truly compete for a title in the short term and look to stockpile assets to potentially build a great team 5 years from now with all these picks when LeBron/the Warriors are presumably out of the picture that's fine, but I think it still leaves them not quite good enough now and who knows what 4-5 years from now.
 
Deuce said:
So the Celtics will end up with Jackson at 3, LAL's unprotected pick next year and the Kings '19 pick with some protections.

lawl

Draft Jackson, sign Hayward and deal the Kings pick if it's top 5 protected or worse for Butler or George.

Holy shit.
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I figured the Lakers pick, but want to see the protections on Sac pick. Sets the Sixers up to contend immediately in the east. I see a Mil type jump in the standings.
 
Carp said:
I figured the Lakers pick, but want to see the protections on Sac pick. Sets the Sixers up to contend immediately in the east. I see a Mil type jump in the standings.
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My post came after the initial reports last night, Simp's is updated.

Im not a huge fan of the return, but I'll still take it. The LAL pick keeps us from Porter, thankfully we still have the Nets to give us a shot there. If we end up with #1 and #2 next year, that would be amazing.

The Sac pick is unprotected if we don't land the LAL pick and that one has more potential, but I have no idea about prospects that far in advance so I have less interest in it.

I do do like this deal from the standpoint that I have said for weeks I prefer Jackson as a prospect and obviously Ainge agrees. Slide him in as the 3 and then trade for Butler as the 2 guard and we're on our way. But I would only offer them that protected LAL pick. I'll roll the dice on the Nets for another season.
 
Deuce said:
Slide him in as the 3 and then trade for Butler as the 2 guard and we're on our way. But I would only offer them that protected LAL pick. I'll roll the dice on the Nets for another season.
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This right here is the height of arrogance and I'm assuming the source is Ainge and his hard line desire to "win" trades and clutch "assets" as tightly as possible, and it's just seeped down into the entire fanbase.

You're suggesting getting a 3rd team All-NBA, top 15-20 type player in the league, for nothing more than a single pick that may not even convey until two years from now?

And despite the fact that in your scenario you'd have Jackson, Butler, Bradley, and Crowder on the wing, you still don't even include Jaylen Brown?

#3+Lakers pick+filler pick is fair, Brooklyn pick+Lakers pick+filler is fair, just the Lakers pick alone is a joke and I'd rather let Butler walk for nothing in two years than give him up for one single pick that may not even come to fruition for 2 years.
 
Simpleton said:
This right here is the height of arrogance and I'm assuming the source is Ainge and his hard line desire to "win" trades and clutch "assets" as tightly as possible, and it's just seeped down into the entire fanbase.

You're suggesting getting a 3rd team All-NBA, top 15-20 type player in the league, for nothing more than a single pick that may not even convey until two years from now?

And despite the fact that in your scenario you'd have Jackson, Butler, Bradley, and Crowder on the wing, you still don't even include Jaylen Brown?

#3+Lakers pick+filler pick is fair, Brooklyn pick+Lakers pick+filler is fair, just the Lakers pick alone is a joke and I'd rather let Butler walk for nothing in two years than give him up for one single pick that may not even come to fruition for 2 years.
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I was speaking only in terms of expected elite picks. I would throw players or later picks in as well, I'm just not giving up #3 or next years Nets pick. Guys like Crowder or Brown are nice players, but I'm not attached to them enough to miss a deal.

The problem for the Bulls is Butler isn't the only great player available. They want too much? Move on to George or Haywood or whomever else that may be available that we just don't know about yet.
 
I don't like it.

Take the best player in the draft. Reeks of trying to get cute.

I don't like the options at 3. There is no big man which is what the Celtics need. Just a bunch of skinny wings.
 
BipolarFan said:
I don't like it.

Take the best player in the draft. Reeks of trying to get cute.

I don't like the options at 3. There is no big man which is what the Celtics need. Just a bunch of skinny wings.
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Jackson and, to a lesser extent, Tatum are exactly what they need. None of their current wings provide them with anything other than huddle, defense and the occasional spot up shooting. They need a legit score who can take over games and put the team on their back.

Fultz can do do that too, but he takes IT off the floor or Avery who provides the much needed D against opposing scorers.
 
The only thing for Boston is they really need a big time scorer. George, Hayward... that would be great, but I don't see it. Fultz instantly upgrades the offense if he were taken by the Cs. I cannot argue with their rationale...they are going to get their guy and another premium pick.
 
Regarding the Pacers/Paul George situation, I may be in the minority here but I'd like to see leagues implement some controls on what players under contract can say regarding their playing status. When players currently under contract open their mouths and announce they will be playing for another organization, it kind of feels like it's in that gray area of tampering/meddling.

Granted they were already limited in what they could get for him in a trade due to him only having a year left on his current deal, but it feels like they're now in a position where they will receive even less in return if he were moved in a trade.

Makes me wonder if we'll eventually get to the point where teams will look to start unloading star players with 2 years remaining on their contracts rather than in the last year. If I were running a team and had strong inclinations that my star player was planning to leave and we weren't close to winning, that's what I'd do. You'd get more in return. These PG13 rumors have been floating around for over a year. I'll bet if you offered Pacers fans a do over I'm sure they'd choose to cut bait a year earlier because in the grand scheme of things that brief cameo in the playoffs wasn't worth it.
 
As for renting PG13 for one year, I think the Celtics should take a look, obviously the Cavs, and the Clippers would be an interesting fit as well. Assuming they bring back CP3 & Blake Griffin. And who knows, maybe he chooses the Clips over the Lakers long term. The Clips aren't as sexy as the Lakers but they are a hell of a lot closer to competing for a title.
 
I think George will go to the Cavs. Lue can say they are close, but they are not close to the Warriors. Love is not a guy who really helps vs the Warriors...you need athletes to cover the wings and get their points against them. Watching Richard Jefferson out there, while effective, was painful.
 
Carp said:
I think George will go to the Cavs. Lue can say they are close, but they are not close to the Warriors. Love is not a guy who really helps vs the Warriors...you need athletes to cover the wings and get their points against them. Watching Richard Jefferson out there, while effective, was painful.
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I made the same comment about Love. I thought he had a solid performance in this year's NBA Finals but I think trading Andrew Wiggins is coming back to haunt them now. Wiggins is a better defender and can create his own shot. Plus he has enough length & athleticism to at least challenge KD's shots. He's that playmaker that Lebron was whining about not having back in Feb/March.
 
1bigfan13 said:
I made the same comment about Love. I thought he had a solid performance in this year's NBA Finals but I think trading Andrew Wiggins is coming back to haunt them now. Wiggins is a better defender and can create his own shot. Plus he has enough length & athleticism to at least challenge KD's shots. He's that playmaker that Lebron was whining about not having back in Feb/March.
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You know it hurts me to take down my great white hope.
 
So, we're all in agreement that the Sixers got the best of this trade with the Celtics, right?

Good.
 
I think the Love for PG thing isn't as much of an improvement as people think.

Yes, they'll have another guy who can score and creates a defensive matchup problem for the opponent. But while Love may not have been this superstar player, he was a very good and productive player for them. He may have his weaknesses, but he was a double-double guy for them and they would miss both his rebounding and his ability to stretch the opposing PF out.

Would I rather have George than Love if I were a Cavs fan? Yes, but while the Cavs would be gaining some things, they'll also be losing others. In order to catch GS, the Cavs needs to be getting stronger while not losing anything, but that wouldn't be the case here. They would need a lot more than George to even have a chance to beat GS in a 7 game series.

So if this trade actually happens, they'll need George and someone else to compensate for what they'd lose by trading away Love PLUS something else.

They aren't all that close to GS, IMO.

San Antonio I think is actually the biggest threat and even they won't beat GS.
 
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