NBA Chatter Thread

[Jiggyfly]

Didn't he have the best clutch numbers in the league this year?

4th Quarter stats for all 5 games

Westbrook
14/49 FG. 28%
4/21 3pt. 19%
19/27 FT. 70%
-23

Harden
12/21 FG. 57%
5/13 3pt. 38%
18/22 FT. 82%
+30

And if you shoot your team out of the game there is no clutch time to count.

 

[1bigfan13]

4th Quarter stats for all 5 games

Westbrook
14/49 FG. 28%
4/21 3pt. 19%
19/27 FT. 70%
-23

Harden
12/21 FG. 57%
5/13 3pt. 38%
18/22 FT. 82%
+30

And if you shoot your team out of the game there is no clutch time to count.

He's talking about for the regular season. ESPN, NBA TV, and others have often mentioned some stat where Westbrook has the most clutch points in the NBA this season. I think they were measuring from the 4 minute mark of games decided by 5 or fewer points.

But on the flip side, one could argue that the reason he led the league in those points is because he took most of the shots for OKC in those situations.

 

[Jiggyfly]

It's all about expectations and your status as a player.

Lebron is in his own category. That's why he's graded harder than anyone else in the game. His historical peer is Michael Jordan, for crying out loud.

No one is putting Westbrook in the conversation.

I don't remember Harden being crushed for losing games in 2015. IIRC, the big marks against him was the elimination game where he had something like 13 turnovers and some bad defense.

Harden was definitely crushed and Rose was crushed as well for doing a lot of the same stuff.

 

[Jiggyfly]

He's talking about for the regular season. ESPN, NBA TV, and others have often mentioned some stat where Westbrook has the most clutch points in the NBA this season. I think they were measuring from the 4 minute mark of games decided by 5 or fewer points.

But on the flip side, one could argue that the reason he led the league in those points is because he took most of the shots for OKC in those situations.

Yeah like I said unless you tell me how many times his team gave up lead as well in 4th its hard to put those stats in context because as you have said yourself he has shot his team out of position to win a lot.

I have never given those stats much weight because a lot of HOF have terrible "clutch time" stats.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He's talking about for the regular season. ESPN, NBA TV, and others have often mentioned some stat where Westbrook has the most clutch points in the NBA this season. I think they were measuring from the 4 minute mark of games decided by 5 or fewer points.

Yep.

 

[Cotton]

Marc Stein is one of the ESPN layoffs. That is insane.

 

[Deuce]

Remember when the Bulls were up 2-0 and all the media thought they were so smart for thinking that series was prime for the upset?

Good times.

 

[Smitty]

Remember when Rondo was pwning the Celtics then got hurt?

Good times.

 

[Deuce]

Remember when Rondo was pwning the Celtics then got hurt?

Good times.

If you think Rondo was going to play out of his mind all series, you're smoking some of Randy Gregory's good stuff.

Boston wasn't mentally prepared to start the series and the Bulls could do no wrong. It was as lopsided a start to a series as I've seen. Then IT4 started to play team ball again and the defense returned. Rondo isn't the reason Wade went 1-10 from the field last night.

 

[Simpleton]

If you think Rondo was going to play out of his mind all series, you're smoking some of Randy Gregory's good stuff.

Boston wasn't mentally prepared to start the series and the Bulls could do no wrong. It was as lopsided a start to a series as I've seen. Then IT4 started to play team ball again and the defense returned. Rondo isn't the reason Wade went 1-10 from the field last night.

The Bulls would've definitely won one of the two games in Chicago with Rondo and probably would've won the series. Nothing typifies the impact of the loss of Rondo better than when they were up by I think 2 going into the 4th in Game 5 on the road then had like 5 turnovers in 5 minutes because they had nobody who could run the offense, with Boston building a 8-10 point lead.

There is a better than 50/50 chance that the Bulls win that series with Rondo. The Celtics are nowhere near an elite team, they have no true superstars and don't have an extra gear in the playoffs, they basically got the 1 seed because the East is shit and Cleveland didn't start caring until about two weeks ago.

They're only marginally better than teams like Toronto and Washington and they could very easily lose to a Wizard team that is above average at best.

And if they manage to get by them I wouldn't expect them to give Cleveland any real trouble, it'd be over in 5 or an easy 6.

 

[Cotton]

 

[NoDak]

So how many of you guys are running out to buy the new $495 Lonzo Ball shoe? If that's too rich for your blood, you could just get the $220 flip flops.

 

[Texas Ace]

So how many of you guys are running out to buy the new $495 Lonzo Ball shoe? If that's too rich for your blood, you could just get the $220 flip flops.

I tried but they're all sold out.

Maybe next time.

 

[1bigfan13]

I actually think Lavar Ball is on to something, but what's he's trying to pull off is not something that you can pull off with a rookie/fresh face. What he's hoping to accomplish isn't unique. Michael Jordan essentially has his own brand. But the difference is Jordan worked hard and proved himself before he was able to create the Jordan brand. Jordan won MVPs, multiple championships, and proved to be a world-wide mega star. Then and only then did he have the clout to create a true partnership with Nike.

Out of the current players in the NBA I'd say only Lebron has the power to accomplish what Lavar is trying to do. Steph Curry can't do it. Kevin Durant can't do it. James Harden can't do it. Only Lebron.

 

[Texas Ace]

I actually think Lavar Ball is on to something, but what's he's trying to pull off is not something that you can pull off with a rookie/fresh face. What he's hoping to accomplish isn't unique. Michael Jordan essentially has his own brand. But the difference is Jordan worked hard and proved himself before he was able to create the Jordan brand. Jordan won MVPs, multiple championships, and proved to be a world-wide mega star. Then and only then did he have the clout to create a true partnership with Nike.

Out of the current players in the NBA I'd say only Lebron has the power to accomplish what Lavar is trying to do. Steph Curry can't do it. Kevin Durant can't do it. James Harden can't do it. Only Lebron.

I would agree with that, but even LeBron wouldn't be able to sell his shoes for 500 bucks.

That old man is out of his mind.

 

[NoDak]

I actually think Lavar Ball is on to something, but what's he's trying to pull off is not something that you can pull off with a rookie/fresh face. What he's hoping to accomplish isn't unique. Michael Jordan essentially has his own brand. But the difference is Jordan worked hard and proved himself before he was able to create the Jordan brand. Jordan won MVPs, multiple championships, and proved to be a world-wide mega star. Then and only then did he have the clout to create a true partnership with Nike.

Out of the current players in the NBA I'd say only Lebron has the power to accomplish what Lavar is trying to do. Steph Curry can't do it. Kevin Durant can't do it. James Harden can't do it. Only Lebron.

Both Lebron and Curry have their own shoes, and they sell for under 200 bucks. I think I saw that Lebron's were 175 and Curry's were 120. And these are guys that have skins on the wall. Ball's father has lost his damn mind. He's only hurting his kid with this nonsense.

 

[Deuce]

I actually think Lavar Ball is on to something, but what's he's trying to pull off is not something that you can pull off with a rookie/fresh face. What he's hoping to accomplish isn't unique. Michael Jordan essentially has his own brand. But the difference is Jordan worked hard and proved himself before he was able to create the Jordan brand. Jordan won MVPs, multiple championships, and proved to be a world-wide mega star. Then and only then did he have the clout to create a true partnership with Nike.

Out of the current players in the NBA I'd say only Lebron has the power to accomplish what Lavar is trying to do. Steph Curry can't do it. Kevin Durant can't do it. James Harden can't do it. Only Lebron.

Not only that, but nobody with a shot as ugly as Lonzo's has ever had his own shoe, much less brand. This will fail, much like his son's career, IMO.

 

[Deuce]

Though I will remind you that you forgot a very important brand from the last decade:

But even Marbury (who will go down as a better player) couldn't even do it by selling his sneakers for $30 a pair.

 

[Deuce]

Both Lebron and Curry have their own shoes, and they sell for under 200 bucks. I think I saw that Lebron's were 175 and Curry's were 120. And these are guys that have skins on the wall. Ball's father has lost his damn mind. He's only hurting his kid with this nonsense.

$120 has been the going rate for solid basketball shoes for the last 20 years. Then Jordan broke the bank with his $200 ones in the briefcase.

 

[1bigfan13]

Both Lebron and Curry have their own shoes, and they sell for under 200 bucks. I think I saw that Lebron's were 175 and Curry's were 120. And these are guys that have skins on the wall. Ball's father has lost his damn mind. He's only hurting his kid with this nonsense.

I wasn't talking about Lavar Ball being on to something with the price of the shoes. I'm talking about athletes possibly wanting to be true partners with shoe companies like Jordan is with Nike. Guys like Steph and Lebron aren't on that level. They're simply paid to push the "Swoosh"/Under Armor brand.

As for Ball's shoes, $500 is a ridiculous price. He'd have been better off going with something in the $100 range. $100 is still affordable for most and spending that much on shoes will scratch the itch of materialistic people as well. They'll feel like they bought a quality product and provide them a status symbol.

Whereas with those $30 Starburys that Deuce posted a pic of, no matter how nice the shoes look, a lot of younger people won't wear them because they'll be deemed cheap.