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bbgun said:
Pitch counts, basically.
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But, why? Nothing has changed. Are the pitchers now just pussies? I know there is a lot more Tommy Johns happening now, but I still can't figure out why.
 
Cotton said:
Have batters just gotten that much better? Has the pitching taken a hit? What has caused this? I'm seriously asking.
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Probably a number of factors including analytics that will tell managers that they're better off going with matchups out of the bullpen than continuing with a starter that is not only getting tired but also becomes less effective the more times he gets through a lineup as hitters start to see all of his pitches.

It's also teams worried about high pitch counts causing injuries.

One other subtle factor I think is when pitchers are younger they're I think babied a lot more and never get the chance to build up stamina in their arms and legs.
 
Genghis Khan said:
One other subtle factor I think is when pitchers are younger they're I think babied a lot more and never get the chance to build up stamina in their arms and legs.
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This is the only reason that makes any sense to me. Outside of analytics nothing else has changed.
 
Cotton said:
This is the only reason that makes any sense to me. Outside of analytics nothing else has changed.
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Grok:
  • Analytics Age: Starters are rarely allowed to face a lineup a third time, as data suggests effectiveness drops significantly.
  • The 100-Pitch Limit: Strict pitch counts, often hovering around 100, are used to manage load and reduce injury risk.
  • Specialization: The rise of specialized roles (closer, setup, middle reliever) means managers prefer bringing in fresh arms rather than leaving a starter in trouble.
  • Economic Factors: High team investments in pitchers lead to a focus on long-term health rather than finishing single games.
 
bbgun said:
Grok:
  • Analytics Age: Starters are rarely allowed to face a lineup a third time, as data suggests effectiveness drops significantly.
  • The 100-Pitch Limit: Strict pitch counts, often hovering around 100, are used to manage load and reduce injury risk.
  • Specialization: The rise of specialized roles (closer, setup, middle reliever) means managers prefer bringing in fresh arms rather than leaving a starter in trouble.
  • Economic Factors: High team investments in pitchers lead to a focus on long-term health rather than finishing single games.
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Nolan Ryan scoffs at all of that.
 
Everybody wants the flamethrower. These guys are throwing harder than ever. Seems every team has multiple guys now that can hit 100mph. It used to be rare. Which leads to multiple things. There are more Tommy John surgeries now than ever before. And even when they are healthy, they burn out faster. Over a game and over a career.

The pitchers like Greg Maddux where control and pinpoint accuracy are a thing of the past. Guys like Bert Blyleven. Dude had more complete games in a season than most guys have in a career now. And not one Tommy John surgery. He didn't start having arm trouble until the latter part of his career. And those were shoulder issues.

Nolan Ryan never had Tommy John surgery. And he is probably the hardest throwing guy of them all. But the big difference in him and his era was they threw huge amounts of innings from the start. They weren't babied and allowed their arm to build the strength to throw deep into games.
 
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