LOL @ the Giants

Simpleton said:
Doesn't seem like the best attribute for an off-ball LB, and this time around he won't have Downs and Styles to figure out the mental side of what's happening on the field.
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I feel like Parsons is kind of the same way. It's like line up here and just go make a play. Just go play off pure instincts and don't try to make him think.
 
Micah is Chris Langan compared to this guy.
 
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Cowboysrock55 said:
I feel like Parsons is kind of the same way. It's like line up here and just go make a play. Just go play off pure instincts and don't try to make him think.
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Yea and the issue with Reese, particularly being on the Giants, is that to get him on the field he's going to have to play off the ball for a large chunk of the snaps, unless they want to sit Burns and/or Carter which isn't happening.
 
Simpleton said:
Yea and the issue with Reese, particularly being on the Giants, is that to get him on the field he's going to have to play off the ball for a large chunk of the snaps, unless they want to sit Burns and/or Carter which isn't happening.
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Yeah, I mean I've always been of the opinion that you need three edges to keep everyone fresh. But when you're picking at the top of the draft, taking a pass rusher every year at some point becomes counter productive. Reese is basically a lighter version of Carter. Burns is a beast. And shit doesn't seem that long ago they took Thibodeaux, who I guess now really has no role.

I guess we will see but for a team with pass rushers already you'd have thought a guy like Downs would have been a way better pick to help take that defense to the next level.
 
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Cowboysrock55 said:
Yeah, I mean I've always been of the opinion that you need three edges to keep everyone fresh. But when you're picking at the top of the draft, taking a pass rusher every year at some point becomes counter productive. Reese is basically a lighter version of Carter. Burns is a beast. And shit doesn't seem that like ago they took Thibodeaux who I guess now really has no role.

I guess we will see but for a team with pass rushers already you'd have thought a guy like Downs would have been a way better pick to help take that defense to the next level.
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I get them taking Reese because he was the BPA but the reality of it is that his impact is going to be diluted based on the roster they have.

If it was almost anybody else I wouldn't say that, but they are the team least in need of a light edge speed rusher when you consider what they have in Burns and Carter, on top of how light they are elsewhere in their front 7.

Needing multiple edge rushers is definitely a thing, but like WR I think a big part of that is having different body types who can do different things to complement each other. If you just have a bunch of 240-250 lb. edge rushers who aren't going to set an edge for anything, you're going to have issues as we kind of saw with the Quinn/Parsons defenses.

It's why the Gary trade has me comfortable with having two lighter edge rushers, one of which in Lawrence who just isn't very good against the run. Individually Carter, Burns and Reese are all great players/prospects, but at some point you hit diminishing returns when you keep taking the same type of player, much like if we had taken Ioane at 12.
 
Simpleton said:
I get them taking Reese because he was the BPA but the reality of it is that his impact is going to be diluted based on the roster they have.
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I don't know about that. I though the same thing when they drafted Kiwi and they went and won the Superbowl, pressuring Romo, Favre, and Brady like no one else could.

I didn't think anyone could hold the 2007 Patriots to 14 points, but they did and on the highest stage rushing Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, and Strahan, sometimes all at the same time.

I will say this: They defined and shortened their window. They want to compete right now.
 
ravidubey said:
I don't know about that. I though the same thing when they drafted Kiwi and they went and won the Superbowl, pressuring Romo, Favre, and Brady like no one else could.

I didn't think anyone could hold the 2007 Patriots to 14 points, but they did and on the highest stage rushing Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, and Strahan, sometimes all at the same time.

I will say this: They defined and shortened their window. They want to compete right now.
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Their pass rush 20 years ago has nothing to do with the team they have now and in my opinion they actually extended out the time it's going to take them to compete by trading Lawrence and drafting a guy in Reese who is a project as an edge rusher.

Maybe he'll be Parsons but that's a big leap of faith to make in year 1 or even in general, but the bigger issue is that they have no run-stuffing interior DL and all of their edge rushers are about 240-250. Those edge rushers 20 years ago were all about 260+ in Tuck, Strahan, etc., when you combine the fact that Burns, Carter and Reese are all 240-250 with the fact that they basically no starting caliber DT's, it's not a recipe for success.

It's ironic to me that you seem to think they're going to be able to compete for something when they have literally the worst interior DL group in the league, after listening to you obsess over the Cowboys not having any properly sized DT's.

That's not even getting into the significant difference in talent on the offensive side, plus the fact that those Giants teams weren't even that great. They were wild card teams who got lucky as fuck in the playoffs, not exactly something you should model a team after.
 
Simpleton said:
Their pass rush 20 years ago has nothing to do with the team they have now and in my opinion they actually extended out the time it's going to take them to compete by trading Lawrence and drafting a guy in Reese who is a project as an edge rusher.

Maybe he'll be Parsons but that's a big leap of faith to make in year 1 or even in general, but the bigger issue is that they have no run-stuffing interior DL and all of their edge rushers are about 240-250. Those edge rushers 20 years ago were all about 260+ in Tuck, Strahan, etc., when you combine the fact that Burns, Carter and Reese are all 240-250 with the fact that they basically no starting caliber DT's, it's not a recipe for success.

It's ironic to me that you seem to think they're going to be able to compete for something when they have literally the worst interior DL group in the league, after listening to you obsess over the Cowboys not having any properly sized DT's.

That's not even getting into the significant difference in talent on the offensive side, plus the fact that those Giants teams weren't even that great. They were wild card teams who got lucky as fuck in the playoffs, not exactly something you should model a team after.
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I’m just saying you absolutely can find ways to use four edges, and it can be uniquely nasty.

I didn’t say I liked the Giants’ chances. Their interior is like a gaping hole— and it wasn’t great even when Lawrence was there.
 
ravidubey said:
I’m just saying you absolutely can find ways to use four edges, and it can be uniquely nasty.

I didn’t say I liked the Giants’ chances. Their interior is like a gaping hole— and it wasn’t great even when Lawrence was there.
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I agree that it can be very valuable, I just don't think the way the Giants are doing it is how it should be done.

But maybe Reese turns into something similar to Parsons and they build up the rest of their team over the next year or two and it's amazing.

Or maybe Reese never becomes Parsons and he's just a top 5 pick playing off ball LB on a team with pretty big holes on both sides of the ball.
 
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