Extending Pickens

Simpleton said:
I'll say this, if the price is 30-35/year I think Jerry does it no problem, if he's asking for more than 35 (or maybe more than 34 since I could see Jerry not wanting to give him a bigger contract than Lamb) then it gets interesting and he might get tagged/traded.

I'm not worried about Lamb getting weird due to the lack of stats or whatever, and pretty much the only reason his stats are down a bit is because he basically missed 4 games.
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Lamb is averaging 92 yards a game, minus the games he missed and Pickens is averaging 90, so yeah, I doubt he's upset.
 
Simpleton said:
I'll say this, if the price is 30-35/year I think Jerry does it no problem, if he's asking for more than 35 (or maybe more than 34 since I could see Jerry not wanting to give him a bigger contract than Lamb) then it gets interesting and he might get tagged/traded.

I'm not worried about Lamb getting weird due to the lack of stats or whatever, and pretty much the only reason his stats are down a bit is because he basically missed 4 games.
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Well there's no need to bicker about this I have my opinion you have yours I just don't think Jerry will pay him over 30 and you think he will so now we'll have to wait and see how that goes...

Like I said this is nothing against George, I think he's Dez Bryant 2.0, he has a chance to maybe be better ,So I like that we get a little passion and attitude from that spot that we haven't had in a while, guy that goes up and gets a lot of balls that others that would have a hard time catching.. Those tight window stuff, he's really good with guys hanging on him, that's why he's Dez in my opinion...

So I hope he stays but I have this weird feeling you guys are going to be really disappointed...
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Dez in his prime was an absolute badass.
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Oh I know that that 4 to 5 year stretch was insane Averaged over 1300 yards and 12 touchdowns a year four years straight and when he was a punt returner he was also a ****... Some people are trying to tell me I'm downplaying his ability and that he's more like Terrell Owens and I was like dude calm down he's not Tio yet but I can see him as the next Dez Bryant which there's nothing wrong with that at all...
 
GShock said:
This. The money isn't real. His value vis a vis Lamb, team dynamics, and Pickens' dumbness are all factors to consider, but at the end of it, it's "we're choosing not to" vs "we can't afford to."
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Actually the money is real I realize what you're saying that there are ways to do void gears kick things down the road treat it like a credit card but eventually you have to pay up But our defense is in such shambles that getting a first round pick for him that you can probably turn into 2 lower picks like a 2nd and 3rd rounder you can have a rookie wide receiver of the future that you can draft and then you can use that $35 million to help build up the defense and pay the rest of the players that are needed..

It is about money and again I know you can manipulate the cap and do some things but when you look at teams like Cincinnati who are doing this right now with their offense and they hardly even have a offensive line or a defense and people are trying to say well there's no money issues here they acted like there is no cap no we get it we see what the Eagles can do with the void years and blowing up their cap down the road hoping that the cap keeps increasing and you can pay it later...

But that doesn't always work for everyone most teams do operate under the normal parameters look at the Chiefs They've been great for a while and they've been getting rid of more talent than they're replacing and that's hurting him this year finally it's catching up to them but look at what they've done they pretty much operate like the Cowboys do they try to score through the draft they try to develop players they spend very little in free agency and they pay their own players..

They've also had to do the tough thing and trade guys who are in their prime I mean look at Tyreke Kill They weren't afraid to move on from him..

So I don't want to hear this that all teams do the all in and act like they're are no cap restrictions but there are You can only do so much I if we were already pretty strong on defense and young and we didn't have all these holes but I already showed you this year our offense has been full of talent and we're still sitting here under 500 thinking about the draft in 2026..

I want the guy here but I'm not gonna sit here and say it's not real that the money isn't real no it is really real it depends on where you want to scrimp or think you can build somewhere else....
 
Genghis Khan said:
I've been disappointed for 30 years so I expect nothing less.
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Yeah I think my point is I would not blame Jerry for not caving and paying $35 million for AWR 2 I realize he might be considered 1B or having a second starter but this team's got so many holes elsewhere especially on defense that I would not blame him just like I realized what had to be done with Parsons while disappointed sometimes you have to make a tough decision..

I blame Jerry for a whole lot of things but not the Parsons trade and if he refuses to be blackmailed into paying all that kind of money because the fans say so and because David Parsons agent and also George's agent put his feet to the fire at some point there is a limit to what you can pay a second receiver when you have holes all over the team IE Defense

Somehow some of y'all think we're far removed from having a terrible defense historically bad defense like a worse than Mike Nolan's defense it it that was like two weeks ago somehow you're forgetting we could really use an offseason where we put a lot of that free agent money into the defense use the pick you get from George Pickens that's a number one pick You get a first round pick you could turn those into other picks this is a deep wide receiver draft...

Also people act like you can't develop a second receiver but Flournoy seems to be popular around here and maybe he takes the next step I mean about a month ago he had 100 yard game in CD Lambs place being the backup I mean you guys act like this the end of the world if we have to let Pickens walk.....
 
Bipo said:
Pay Pickens whatever and look to trade Lamb if it is a problem.

Pickens is the superior player.
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You're absolutely wrong you're entitled to your opinion unless your opinion is trash and I'm telling you right now we are nose to nose and I am screaming with spit on you telling you how ignorant that sounds when you say it out loud he is not the superior player and you do not trade CD lamb and eat some of his dead cap just to bring another guy in to the fold and overpay him that's not how it works...

But thanks for playing the game but we're not playing stupid games and getting stupid prizes Pickens is either gonna give us a team friendly deal or we're gonna take our first rounder that we could get on the franchise tag and we're gonna take that and get another receiver in the draft and spend that money on defense..

Live in a fantasy football Madden world my man that is not what you would do that is not to smart play....
 
bleedsblue42021117 said:
You're absolutely wrong you're entitled to your opinion unless your opinion is trash and I'm telling you right now we are nose to nose and I am screaming with spit on you telling you how ignorant that sounds when you say it out loud he is not the superior player and you do not trade CD lamb and eat some of his dead cap just to bring another guy in to the fold and overpay him that's not how it works...

But thanks for playing the game but we're not playing stupid games and getting stupid prizes Pickens is either gonna give us a team friendly deal or we're gonna take our first rounder that we could get on the franchise tag and we're gonna take that and get another receiver in the draft and spend that money on defense..

Live in a fantasy football Madden world my man that is not what you would do that is not to smart play....
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bleedsblue42021117 said:
It is about money and again I know you can manipulate the cap and do some things but when you look at teams like Cincinnati who are doing this right now with their offense and they hardly even have a offensive line or a defense and people are trying to say well there's no money issues here they acted like there is no cap
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The Bengals are a cheap organization with an injured QB. If their QB was healthy they would be in the playoffs competing for a Superbowl. No offense to tou but it's a dumb comparison.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
The Bengals are a cheap organization with an injured QB. If their QB was healthy they would be in the playoffs competing for a Superbowl. No offense to tou but it's a dumb comparison.
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no they wouldn't ...no evidence of that since OH maybe they just paid chase and Thigg this year and will see a delayed effect on the teams cap, even worse than of late.. You know how they've always said try to win a Super Bowl when you have your best players under rookie deals because it only gets worse from there...

I don't remember Joe Burrow competing for a Super Bowl recently but we're talking about now that they paid both receivers they're trying to get rid of their best defender and Trey Hendrickson I wonder why that is..hmm

So, I wholeheartedly disagree, when a team needs to get themselves right ,they can't do that by overpaying two receivers... It's a wonderful world we live in to be able to have an opinion, except mine are like based by facts there aren't very many teams paying all their players that kind of money and still competing for an actual Super Bowl, in a Super Bowl, winning Super Bowls...

I already pointed out KC they pretty much run their organization a whole lot like the Cowboys(Yes you do not need to point out they have a better quarterback and a better coaching staff but we're talking about how they treat the offseason the draft and free agency) and they've been competing in Super Bowls and they're not paying two receivers that kind of money, in fact they traded away tyreke hill they don't have two tyreke Hills, they have zero tyreke hills...

Irony here is the team that got him that have two receivers should have a dynamic offense because look at their deep running back room as well that would be the Miami Dolphins and what are they doing they're not doing **** but losing....

NEXT
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
The Bengals are a cheap organization with an injured QB. If their QB was healthy they would be in the playoffs competing for a Superbowl. No offense to tou but it's a dumb comparison.
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I don't see a big difference between Dallas and Cincy they literally is ones in the AFC ones in the NFC and they're both looked at about the same.....
 
bleedsblue42021117 said:
Somehow some of y'all think we're far removed from having a terrible defense historically bad defense like a worse than Mike Nolan's defense
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I would love to see a link to "some of y'all".

Or we can just chalk it up to overexaggerated hyperbole. Either/or, really.

bleedsblue42021117 said:
I mean you guys act like this the end of the world if we have to let Pickens walk.....
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If the Bengals had an average defense they'd be one of the elite teams in the AFC, which of course is what most of us have been saying about our team this year.

So I think it's a pretty apt comparison.

The big difference between us and the Bengals is that we have a better OL and a foundational piece on defense in Williams, plus two 1's to continue to build out the defense.
 
NoDak said:
I would love to see a link to "some of y'all".

Or we can just chalk it up to overexaggerated hyperbole. Either/or, really.
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I think that's pretty easy, I mean you can't make the interpretation that I meant those that think we can overpay George Pickens And somehow it won't affect how we can build the defense to be stronger ,thats its NOT full of holes like Swiss cheese, so many players are leaving they are older underperforming or others are young or lack talent, VS taking opportunity to get a first round pick for him and turn those into more picks take a receiver in the draft...

use that money for the Defense and the rest of FA.. That's all I meant too many people in here seem to think it's gonna be a done deal and it's not a big deal if they overpay George Pickens anything over 30 in my opinion is overpaying..
 
bleedsblue42021117 said:
I don't see a big difference between Dallas and Cincy they literally is ones in the AFC ones in the NFC and they're both looked at about the same.....
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I mean as far as they have two stud WRs and a bad defense, sure.

Other than that I don't see the comparison. You mention the Bengals O-line but they haven't been nearly as successful at drafting guys as Dallas has been on the O-line. They have drafted a bunch of busts on the defense though. I think you're taking one example of a team that invested heavily at WR and extrapolating the cap impact to every other NFL team.

You also mention that pushing out money is a bad idea. Well you should tell that to the Eagles who have done a ton of it. And won the Superbowl. Hell they invested in two badass WRs and they don't even have a QB capable of taking advantage of it. I think you have a misunderstanding of the cap. And I really don't mean to be offensive. Most people have a very simplistic knowledge of the cap. And guys like Jerry Jones are the reason for that. They want everyone to think we are operating under some hard salary cap. It's just an excuse to not spend money. And Jerry may do the same thing to excuse letting Pickens go. Hell last time we had 2 stud WRs on the roster he traded away Cooper for shit with the same exact explanation that you're giving now. How did that work out?
 
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