2026 Draft Week Chatter Thread...

Genghis Khan said:
Good question.

Before the draft when KC still had 9, I looked up 12/20 for 9/29, and KC would have had to throw in their 4th to make it close to even.

24 isn't too far off of 29 so I'm not so sure our offer was "light" in actuality.
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I just looked it up. Browns were full of shit.

9 is 1350
24 is 740

That's 2090

12 is 1250
20 is 850

That's 2100

We were actually due a 6th or something to make it even.

Browns just wanted Fano and didn't want to risk losing him to the OL hungry Giants. Which is interesting because by all reports, Giants wanted Mauigoa so bad they were considering him at 5. You'd have thought a well informed org would have known that the Giants wanted that specific OL.

I guess we made out better the way it came out though.

Here's the specific 2026 chart.

 
Genghis Khan said:
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If they were truly terrible we wouldn't have one of the best records in the league over the last 10-15 years or whatever it is.

We basically have an identical record with the Eagles over that timeframe, the same timeframe where they've won two Super Bowls. The issue is that our FO is unable (or unwilling) to strategically maneuver to put the finishing touches on a roster to put it over the top.

That and/or the putrid atmosphere Jerry fosters with his carnival barking.
 
Smitty said:
Browns just wanted Fano and didn't want to risk losing him to the OL hungry Giants. Which is interesting because by all reports, Giants wanted Mauigoa so bad they were considering him at 5. You'd have thought a well informed org would have known that the Giants wanted that specific OL.
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To be fair, in that scenario Miami probably would have taken Fano at 11 had he been available given they took Proctor at 12.
 
Genghis Khan said:
If they were any good we wouldn't be in a "drought" for 30 years.
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They were actually terrible for a large chunk of that time though, I'm basically just saying from 2014 onwards when Stephen effectively took control of the personnel process.

I think 2014 serves as a pretty strong demarcation line when you consider how their FA strategy has done a 180, the power McClay has, Stephen talking Jerry out of Manziel for Martin, etc.
 
Simpleton said:
They were actually terrible for a large chunk of that time though, I'm basically just saying from 2014 onwards when Stephen effectively took control of the personnel process.

I think 2014 serves as a pretty strong demarcation line when you consider how their FA strategy has done a 180, the power McClay has, Stephen talking Jerry out of Manziel for Martin, etc.
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Their best teams since the mid 90s may have been 07 & 09, which predates that.

The 2014 demarcation line coincides with them forcing Garrett to be a walk-around coach and giving Linehan and Callahan more autonomy in running the offense. Which developed into them realizing what a dominant running game they had with Murray and that line.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Their best teams since the mid 90s may have been 07 & 09, which predates that.

The 2014 demarcation line coincides with them forcing Garrett to be a walk-around coach and giving Linehan and Callahan more autonomy in running the offense. Which developed into them realizing what a dominant running game they had with Murray and that line.
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The Parcells/Parcells-adjacent teams don't count, those 2007-09 teams were only what they were because Parcells had the power to build the roster as he saw fit from 2003-06. The way the team collapsed around 2011/12ish is a testament to that once he was gone long enough for his impact to be diluted.

The FO was bsaically horrendous from the time Jimmy left until 2014, except for the Parcells years which were obivously an outlier.

And I'm not talking about just the play on the field, the 2014 team's play on the field was largely due to what you're saying about Garrett, but there was a massive philosophical shift at around the same time with how they approached personnel.

Stephen was extremely frustrated with how the 2013 draft went due to the confusion around where Sharrif Floyd ranked, trading down for Frederick, etc., and that's when they decided to revamp the draft process (and I believe largely cut Jerry out of it).

Throw in the fact that we gave Carr a large deal in 2012 and then basically ignored FA for 10+ years and I think it's pretty obvious that our FO changed dramatically right around the aftermath of that 2013 draft and into 2014, and largely remains the same today.
 
The relationship that Jones has developed with Schottenheimer’s Kid is waaaay different than I anticipated.
 
Simpleton said:
They were actually terrible for a large chunk of that time though, I'm basically just saying from 2014 onwards when Stephen effectively took control of the personnel process.

I think 2014 serves as a pretty strong demarcation line when you consider how their FA strategy has done a 180, the power McClay has, Stephen talking Jerry out of Manziel for Martin, etc.
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I mean, I think you can say since Stephen Jones got more control around that time, we are better than we were in that period between Jimmy and Parcells (the Dark Ages), and the post-Parcells Wade/Garrett personnel mismanagement era (I still maintain Garrett was largely hamstrung for years at the beginning of his tenure by a front office that couldn't figure out how to construct a decent defense, then submarined by injuries in between competitive years - not that he was great but he was better than he gets credit for).

Yet still not good enough since 2014. Still just one playoff win. It's like they've got the yips.

edit: Sorry, I guess it's three wildcard playoff wins since 2014.

Still.
 
boozeman said:
The relationship that Jones has developed with Schottenheimer’s Kid is waaaay different than I anticipated.
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I think Schottenheimer basically sweet talked him, Stephen and McClay (probably with the help of Dak) into giving him the HC job so it's not a huge surprise.

Jerry is prone to getting buttered up and being blinded by these sorts of relationships (see Garrett), luckily I think Stephen is way colder and comfortable cutting ties.
 
Smitty said:
I mean, I think you can say since Stephen Jones got more control around that time, we are better than we were in that period between Jimmy and Parcells (the Dark Ages), and the post-Parcells Wade/Garrett personnel mismanagement era (I still maintain Garrett was largely hamstrung for years at the beginning of his tenure by a front office that couldn't figure out how to construct a decent defense, then submarined by injuries in between competitive years).

Yet still not good enough since 2014. Still just one playoff win. It's like they've got the yips.
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Definitely not good enough, and for the reasons I think we both kind of mentioned, but not terrible by any means.
 
boozeman said:
The relationship that Jones has developed with Schottenheimer’s Kid is waaaay different than I anticipated.
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In what way? What did you anticipate?
 
Schotty may not be a great coach, but he does seem like a genuinely nice guy. Unlike that daywalking Ivy League used car salesman.
 
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