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10 of which were all inside the 5 yard line. This is about opportunity and not ability.
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Just think how many TD's TP would have had if they let him finish his good drives off.
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because they figure that a pay cut and some production is better than cut and no production. since it's gonna cost us millions either way, they probably lean towards keeping him.
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Staying loyal to a player who's fallen off so steeply doesn't lend itself to progressing as an offense.
No room for made men when you're paying an elite QB.
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that's the quandary: yes, you're getting some bang for your buck, but you're keeping a better player off the field when you play Zeke. it's really depressing to think how much this contract continues to haunt us.
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I'm assuming the restructured deal would effectively be a 1 year deal with no cap implications for 2024, if that's not the case then there's no point.
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That's dumb financial sense. If you cut him you don't pay him another dime. The money against the cap was already paid. It's a sunk cost.
By keeping him at a reduced salary all you are doing is paying the guy even more money. If that's 4 mil, you're spending 4 mil more than you would If you cut him. This isn't as complicated as the Joneses want people to think.
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If we can cut him down to a 1 year deal for like $4M while still addressing RB in the draft when the opportunity arises, then treat him like nothing more than a FB/short yardage back, I think that's the ideal scenario.
It's the best outcome in terms of the cap while we'd also be moving on to a more capable back behind Pollard while only giving Elliott touches here and there.
I doubt they'd actually relegate him to such a role but I can hope.
It's the best outcome in terms of the cap while we'd also be moving on to a more capable back behind Pollard while only giving Elliott touches here and there.
I doubt they'd actually relegate him to such a role but I can hope.
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Unless he is paying money back I don't think that's possible. The money you see above his base is stuff already guaranteed and paid. It's just that his contract was using years to spread that money out over time.
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Nobody cares what he's actually being paid, it's all about the cap hit.
If his deal turns into a 1 year deal we'd save money against the cap this year and next as opposed to if we cut him.
Jerry could pay him $150M in 2023 for all I care as long as his cap hit is a fraction of what it would be if we were to cut him.
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Yeah the cap doesn't work that way.
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I don't know what all the implications of the prorated bonuses are over the next few years but I don't think he has any guaranteed money left and only a nominal amount left in terms of prorated bonuses.
Either way, the cap hit is all I care about, whatever reduces that the most between this year and next is what I want to happen. They won't push any money into 2025 or beyond, I'm sure of that.
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Yep, he'll probably be here.
I mean, we go as Zeke goes. Our fearless leader already decreed that.
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Thanks for letting me know that Jerry can't pay him $150M with a $2M cap hit, my point is I don't give one single fuck what actual dollars go from Jerry's bank account to Elliott's, I only care about the cap hits.
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My point is those dollars out of Jerry's pocket will hit the cap no matter what. All you're doing by keeping him in Dallas is moving some of those cap numbers to future years of the contract. Next year he is scheduled to make an additional 10 mil. You cut him amd that number is zero. You reduce it and it's 4. If you do nothing it's 10. Right now there is an additional 11 mil or so be spread out over 2023, 2024 and 2025 that has to be accounted for no matter what you do. You cut him it comes today. You cut him post June 1 it gets split up over 2 years. You restructure him and it's split up over the 3 years left on his deal.
So all I'm saying is you're really just arguing about eating more cap on him over the long haul by restructuring. That's a bad idea to me. Even if it's only 4 mil.
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Yeah, I don't want him back even at the league minimum because I don't think he has anything at all left to offer.
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If you're worried about only next years cap figure restructure someone else that's worth keeping to create the room. I look at the total a guy is going to eat up. If you pay him 4 mil next year, that's 4 mil less cap room you have. If you just think about one year of a cap I don't think you are looking at the way the cap works correctly.
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How much will Cowboys' offense change under Mike McCarthy? Dak Prescott weighs in
Dak: 'Right now, Mike told me [about] 20-30% change'
JORI EPSTEIN
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:58 PM CST6 min read
Dallas Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy, and quarterback Dak Prescott will enter a new kind of partnership in the 2023 season. (AP Photo/Phelan M. Ebenhack)
PHOENIX — Change is coming in Dallas.
The change will target the Dallas Cowboys' offense, a unit without Kellen Moore in the house for the first time in seven seasons.
How much will the Cowboys' system change as head coach Mike McCarthy takes over play-calling?
“Right now, Mike told me [about] 20-30% change,” quarterback Dak Prescott told Yahoo Sports from Phoenix during Super Bowl week. “I think if anything, it’s things that need to be changed.
“It’s great to dial in, fix some things, get sharper and crisper. I’m excited.”
The Cowboys and Moore announced a “mutual parting of ways” on Jan. 29, less than 24 hours before the Los Angeles Chargers announced they had hired Moore to coordinate their offense and develop talented third-year quarterback Justin Herbert.
The marriage between Moore and the Cowboys had been consistently productive. Dallas ranked top-6 in scoring in three of Moore’s four years as coordinator. But efficiency and communication began to dip last season, inconsistencies between Prescott and his receivers’ defensive diagnoses contributing to Prescott’s league-high 15 regular-season interceptions. In the Cowboys’ 19-12 divisional round playoff loss to the San Francisco 49ers, Prescott threw two interceptions to one touchdown. Dallas’ run game was held to 76 yards.
The Cowboys' defense stifled the 49ers' attack but couldn’t surmount the lack of complementary football.
So the Cowboys seek a different voice, an at least partially different scheme and some different offensive philosophies. Cowboys team owner/general manager Jerry Jones and executive vice president Stephen Jones attributed Moore’s departure to the philosophical differences between McCarthy and Moore.
Should an offense attack opponents with deep, extended routes to stretch defenders vertically? Would quicker short and intermediate passers increase the success rate? How often and in what scenarios should receivers run option routes, perhaps stressing a defender more acutely but also risking the receiver interpret defensive cues differently than the quarterback who needs to anticipate the throw?
The Cowboys will attack these questions in the coming months.
How much is changing for Cowboys, Prescott and Moore?
The Cowboys' front office will also likely look to upgrade Prescott’s receiving corps a year after trading top wideout Amari Cooper (and his $20 million salary) to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for a fifth-round draft pick.
Wide receiver CeeDee Lamb posted 1,359 yards and nine touchdowns in his first season as a true No. 1 receiver. But the Cowboys’ pass-catching corps otherwise struggled, as fifth-year receiver Michael Gallup was unable to return smoothly from an ACL tear while third-round rookie Jalen Tolbert played just 16% of offensive snaps and caught two passes for 12 yards.
Decisions face the Cowboys' front office on multiple offensive starters as Pro Bowl running back Tony Pollard hits free agency, franchise-tagged tight end Dalton Schultz is likely to command more on the open market than Dallas hopes to pay, and veteran running back Ezekiel Elliott enters his first year with zero guaranteed salary. A pay cut is a near certainty should Elliott desire to stay with the Cowboys. Even with a pay cut, his return is no sure deal.
Prescott acknowledged the personal disappointment to part with Moore for the first time in his seven professional years. Moore was integral to Prescott’s development from a 2016 fourth-round draft selection. When the Cowboys drafted Prescott, Moore was Tony Romo’s backup quarterback.
Both Romo and Moore suffered training camp injuries, and Prescott soon catapulted from a fourth-string QB (Jameill Showers, a quarterback who would eventually be converted to safety, was third) in training camp to season-long starter in a matter of weeks.
Alongside Prescott in the quarterbacks room in 2016 and 2017, Moore remained a guiding voice. So in 2018, Dallas promoted Moore in name to the role he had already been filling in practice: quarterbacks coach.
Moore was then promoted in 2019 to offensive coordinator, a role he held the past four seasons.
Now, Moore and Prescott chase their development in different cities, organizations and even conferences.
“When you lose a friend, you’re going to be upset, but that’s the nature of this business,” Prescott said. “When I say I’m upset he’s gone, it’s not that I’m upset about the future. It’s that when you’re a player, you have the relationship we’ve had, when he was a player. watched his success and watched him grow into the coordinator that he is.
“I’m just as excited about our opportunity as I am for a new start for Kellen.”
Who will lead the Cowboys' offense in 2023?
Jerry Jones knows his team fronts a defense that is the Cowboys’ best in more than a decade. With defensive coordinator Dan Quinn returning to Dallas for a third season, Jones believes McCarthy has the freedom to dial in more closely on running and calling the offense.
“Frankly, I want Mike and Dak to join at the hip on the execution at quarterback,” Jerry Jones told Yahoo Sports from the Senior Bowl earlier this month, “Mike of course knows the personnel, knows [Dak], so picture if I had just interviewed him and he was coming in, how far ahead he is of making this thing really work.
“Knowing Dak and what he’s going to do, and knowing Mike, I think we’re definitely going to see positive, positive, just a lot of positive results.”
McCarthy promoted veteran coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who spent 2022 as a consultant for the Cowboys, to offensive coordinator.
McCarthy’s first NFL opportunity came from Schottenheimer’s father, Marty, from 1993-96 with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Brian Schottenheimer coordinated the New York Jets' offense from 2006-11, the then-St. Louis Rams' offense from 2012-14 and the Seattle Seahawks' offense from 2018-20. During Schottenheimer’s Seahawks stretch, with Russell Wilson at quarterback, Seattle ranked top-10 in scoring and top-five in passing touchdowns all three years.
“Sometimes change is good,” Prescott told Yahoo Sports. “I’m a big believer in change and I’m excited for Mike calling the plays. I’m excited for Schotty. I’m excited for just being able to dial into this offense and just really get it to where we want it to be.
“I’m excited as hell.”
Follow Yahoo Sports’ Jori Epstein on Twitter @JoriEpstein
Dak: 'Right now, Mike told me [about] 20-30% change'
JORI EPSTEIN
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:58 PM CST6 min read
Dallas Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy, and quarterback Dak Prescott will enter a new kind of partnership in the 2023 season. (AP Photo/Phelan M. Ebenhack)
PHOENIX — Change is coming in Dallas.
The change will target the Dallas Cowboys' offense, a unit without Kellen Moore in the house for the first time in seven seasons.
How much will the Cowboys' system change as head coach Mike McCarthy takes over play-calling?
“Right now, Mike told me [about] 20-30% change,” quarterback Dak Prescott told Yahoo Sports from Phoenix during Super Bowl week. “I think if anything, it’s things that need to be changed.
“It’s great to dial in, fix some things, get sharper and crisper. I’m excited.”
The Cowboys and Moore announced a “mutual parting of ways” on Jan. 29, less than 24 hours before the Los Angeles Chargers announced they had hired Moore to coordinate their offense and develop talented third-year quarterback Justin Herbert.
The marriage between Moore and the Cowboys had been consistently productive. Dallas ranked top-6 in scoring in three of Moore’s four years as coordinator. But efficiency and communication began to dip last season, inconsistencies between Prescott and his receivers’ defensive diagnoses contributing to Prescott’s league-high 15 regular-season interceptions. In the Cowboys’ 19-12 divisional round playoff loss to the San Francisco 49ers, Prescott threw two interceptions to one touchdown. Dallas’ run game was held to 76 yards.
The Cowboys' defense stifled the 49ers' attack but couldn’t surmount the lack of complementary football.
So the Cowboys seek a different voice, an at least partially different scheme and some different offensive philosophies. Cowboys team owner/general manager Jerry Jones and executive vice president Stephen Jones attributed Moore’s departure to the philosophical differences between McCarthy and Moore.
Should an offense attack opponents with deep, extended routes to stretch defenders vertically? Would quicker short and intermediate passers increase the success rate? How often and in what scenarios should receivers run option routes, perhaps stressing a defender more acutely but also risking the receiver interpret defensive cues differently than the quarterback who needs to anticipate the throw?
The Cowboys will attack these questions in the coming months.
How much is changing for Cowboys, Prescott and Moore?
The Cowboys' front office will also likely look to upgrade Prescott’s receiving corps a year after trading top wideout Amari Cooper (and his $20 million salary) to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for a fifth-round draft pick.
Wide receiver CeeDee Lamb posted 1,359 yards and nine touchdowns in his first season as a true No. 1 receiver. But the Cowboys’ pass-catching corps otherwise struggled, as fifth-year receiver Michael Gallup was unable to return smoothly from an ACL tear while third-round rookie Jalen Tolbert played just 16% of offensive snaps and caught two passes for 12 yards.
Decisions face the Cowboys' front office on multiple offensive starters as Pro Bowl running back Tony Pollard hits free agency, franchise-tagged tight end Dalton Schultz is likely to command more on the open market than Dallas hopes to pay, and veteran running back Ezekiel Elliott enters his first year with zero guaranteed salary. A pay cut is a near certainty should Elliott desire to stay with the Cowboys. Even with a pay cut, his return is no sure deal.
Prescott acknowledged the personal disappointment to part with Moore for the first time in his seven professional years. Moore was integral to Prescott’s development from a 2016 fourth-round draft selection. When the Cowboys drafted Prescott, Moore was Tony Romo’s backup quarterback.
Both Romo and Moore suffered training camp injuries, and Prescott soon catapulted from a fourth-string QB (Jameill Showers, a quarterback who would eventually be converted to safety, was third) in training camp to season-long starter in a matter of weeks.
Alongside Prescott in the quarterbacks room in 2016 and 2017, Moore remained a guiding voice. So in 2018, Dallas promoted Moore in name to the role he had already been filling in practice: quarterbacks coach.
Moore was then promoted in 2019 to offensive coordinator, a role he held the past four seasons.
Now, Moore and Prescott chase their development in different cities, organizations and even conferences.
“When you lose a friend, you’re going to be upset, but that’s the nature of this business,” Prescott said. “When I say I’m upset he’s gone, it’s not that I’m upset about the future. It’s that when you’re a player, you have the relationship we’ve had, when he was a player. watched his success and watched him grow into the coordinator that he is.
“I’m just as excited about our opportunity as I am for a new start for Kellen.”
Who will lead the Cowboys' offense in 2023?
Jerry Jones knows his team fronts a defense that is the Cowboys’ best in more than a decade. With defensive coordinator Dan Quinn returning to Dallas for a third season, Jones believes McCarthy has the freedom to dial in more closely on running and calling the offense.
“Frankly, I want Mike and Dak to join at the hip on the execution at quarterback,” Jerry Jones told Yahoo Sports from the Senior Bowl earlier this month, “Mike of course knows the personnel, knows [Dak], so picture if I had just interviewed him and he was coming in, how far ahead he is of making this thing really work.
“Knowing Dak and what he’s going to do, and knowing Mike, I think we’re definitely going to see positive, positive, just a lot of positive results.”
McCarthy promoted veteran coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who spent 2022 as a consultant for the Cowboys, to offensive coordinator.
McCarthy’s first NFL opportunity came from Schottenheimer’s father, Marty, from 1993-96 with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Brian Schottenheimer coordinated the New York Jets' offense from 2006-11, the then-St. Louis Rams' offense from 2012-14 and the Seattle Seahawks' offense from 2018-20. During Schottenheimer’s Seahawks stretch, with Russell Wilson at quarterback, Seattle ranked top-10 in scoring and top-five in passing touchdowns all three years.
“Sometimes change is good,” Prescott told Yahoo Sports. “I’m a big believer in change and I’m excited for Mike calling the plays. I’m excited for Schotty. I’m excited for just being able to dial into this offense and just really get it to where we want it to be.
“I’m excited as hell.”
Follow Yahoo Sports’ Jori Epstein on Twitter @JoriEpstein
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