2023 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

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Genghis Khan said:
These guys sound like clowns. Hard to listen to more than about 2 minutes.
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Especially the guy on the right. "Those stigmas are hard to overcome."

Stigmas he mostly admits aren't really based in fact, but in narrative. Great argument, dude.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Especially the guy on the right. "Those stigmas are hard to overcome."

Stigmas he mostly admits aren't really based in fact, but in narrative. Great argument, dude.
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They are millennial hipster types, to be sure. PBR should be their designated ironic sponsor. The one on the right is Nate Tice, son of Mike Tice (the former TE and Vikings head coach).

'Stigmas are hard to overcome' is millennial hipster speak for 'he got a reputation that he hasn't been able to shake.'

A main observation was that the tenures of McCarthy and Payton ended much differently. McCarthy crashed, burned and got fired mid-season as a caustic Rodgers freelanced more and more (sometimes checking out of plays and into plays that the coaching staff did not recognize). On the other hand, Payton showed resourcefulness and creativity after Brees retired and managed to have credible offensive production despite chaos at QB (Jameis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater, Tysom Hill). And, unlike McCarthy, Payton didn't lose his team.
 
ZeroClub said:
On the other hand, Payton showed resourcefulness and creativity after Brees retired and managed to have credible offensive production despite chaos at QB (Jameis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater, Tysom Hill). And, unlike McCarthy, Payton didn't lose his team.
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And unlike Payton, McCarthy has managed to have two 12 win seasons with a totally different team and QB. The ability to do that is more significant to me than losing a diva QB like Rodgers who has an ego bigger than everyone on this board added together.

I'm a big Sean Payton fan but McCarthy has done something in Dallas that we have not seen from Payton yet.
 
I'm a big Sean Payton fan but McCarthy has done something in Dallas that we have not seen from Payton yet.
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If McCarthy can turn around the culture in Dallas, he will be remembered in the same breath as Payton. Payton gets more plaudits because he is flashier and is seen as more of an innovator than McCarthy, but if he can get Dallas to the Super Bowl (or win), I feel he will be remembered as a truly great coach.
 
shane said:
If McCarthy can turn around the culture in Dallas, he will be remembered in the same breath as Payton. Payton gets more plaudits because he is flashier and is seen as more of an innovator than McCarthy, but if he can get Dallas to the Super Bowl (or win), I feel he will be remembered as a truly great coach.
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Hell if he wins he should be considered better than Payton.
 
1. Mike is fat; Payton is not.
2. Mike had a bad relationship with Rodgers; Payton had a good relationship with Brees.
3. Mike was fired; Payton was not.
 
ZeroClub said:
They are millennial hipster types, to be sure. PBR should be their designated ironic sponsor. The one on the right is Nate Tice, son of Mike Tice (the former TE and Vikings head coach).

'Stigmas are hard to overcome' is millennial hipster speak for 'he got a reputation that he hasn't been able to shake.'

A main observation was that the tenures of McCarthy and Payton ended much differently. McCarthy crashed, burned and got fired mid-season as a caustic Rodgers freelanced more and more (sometimes checking out of plays and into plays that the coaching staff did not recognize). On the other hand, Payton showed resourcefulness and creativity after Brees retired and managed to have credible offensive production despite chaos at QB (Jameis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater, Tysom Hill). And, unlike McCarthy, Payton didn't lose his team.
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Maybe Bud Light would sponsor .
 
bbgun said:
1. Mike is fat; Payton is not.
2. Mike had a bad relationship with Rodgers; Payton had a good relationship with Brees.
3. Mike was fired; Payton was not.
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Right, the real reason is that Payton is younger, thinner, and has carefully crafted his media image. Mike isn't, isn't, and hasn't.

As far as the QB relationship, it should matter that Brees is a super nice guy and Rodgers is a narcissistic diva who has gotten one head coach fired and demanded to be traded from the team of the other.
 
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Fat Mike? Maybe. He's pretty rich to offset the fat.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
As far as the QB relationship, it should matter that Brees is a super nice guy and Rodgers is a narcissistic diva who has gotten one head coach fired and demanded to be traded from the team of the other.
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When Fat Mike left, Aaron immediately improved--winning back-to-back MVPs. Probably not a coincidence.
 
bbgun said:
When Fat Mike left, Aaron immediately improved--winning back-to-back MVPs. Probably not a coincidence.
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Did the team go farther than it had under Mike?

Because I kinda thought that was the idea for a head coach.
 
shane said:
If McCarthy can turn around the culture in Dallas, he will be remembered in the same breath as Payton. Payton gets more plaudits because he is flashier and is seen as more of an innovator than McCarthy, but if he can get Dallas to the Super Bowl (or win), I feel he will be remembered as a truly great coach.
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How does a coach, any coach, turn around a culture that's been embedded, branded, on the organization since the mid-90s? Parcells tried to turn the culture around, until Jerry declared he "just wasn't having fun anymore." End of culture turnaround.

An organization's culture starts at the very top. When training camp opens and Jerry is sitting alongside McCarthy in front of the microphones, you'll know the culture hasn't changed.
 
son of deadrise said:
How does a coach, any coach, turn around a culture that's been embedded, branded, on the organization since the mid-90s? Parcells tried to turn the culture around, until Jerry declared he "just wasn't having fun anymore." End of culture turnaround.

An organization's culture starts at the very top. When training camp opens and Jerry is sitting alongside McCarthy in front of the microphones, you'll know the culture hasn't changed.
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Remember how demoralized Parcells looked by the end of his tenure here? Being around Jerry really crushed his spirit.

But the way the talent evaluating has improved over the years gives me some modicum of hope. McCarthy sacking Moore was a good sign too. Not that I'm optimistic. I have us penciled in for another 1st or 2nd round exit.
 
son of deadrise said:
How does a coach, any coach, turn around a culture that's been embedded, branded, on the organization since the mid-90s? Parcells tried to turn the culture around, until Jerry declared he "just wasn't having fun anymore." End of culture turnaround.

An organization's culture starts at the very top. When training camp opens and Jerry is sitting alongside McCarthy in front of the microphones, you'll know the culture hasn't changed.
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You think the culture here is the same as in the Campo years?
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
And unlike Payton, McCarthy has managed to have two 12 win seasons with a totally different team and QB. The ability to do that is more significant to me than losing a diva QB like Rodgers who has an ego bigger than everyone on this board added together.

I'm a big Sean Payton fan but McCarthy has done something in Dallas that we have not seen from Payton yet.
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I think McCarthy is a big part of why things are going better with the Cowboys these days.

Candidly, I'd have preferred Sean Payton as the head coach, but not enough to trade picks to get him (e.g., a 1st and 2nd rounder for Payton and the Saints 3rd). I think the offense will be more stable and consistent under McCarthy. He and Quinn seem to work very well together too.
 
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