The Great Police Work Thread

Clay_Allison said:
There's about 300,000 cops in America, so 5% is still 60,000 people and they can do a lot of damage. Public trust in the police is important and rooting out the bad apples so people, especially minorities who are less likely to trust them, can cooperate without feeling threatened will do more overall for the police mission than buying more military hardware.
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I think your math is off here. I believe that would be 15,000.
 
It's been pointed out, and Forts agreed with it, that better video monitoring of cops actually protects the good cops. Hell, protecting the good cops from false accusations and reducing complaints and lawsuits overall is a win-win for the cops and the PD. Pretty much the only people against it are the "5%" of dirty cops and I guess Iamtdg.
 
Clay_Allison said:
It's been pointed out, and Forts agreed with it, that better video monitoring of cops actually protects the good cops. Hell, protecting the good cops from false accusations and reducing complaints and lawsuits overall is a win-win for the cops and the PD. Pretty much the only people against it are the "5%" of dirty cops and I guess Iamtdg.
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In fairness to Iamtdg and his many many retarded positions, he has said he supports cameras on police and punishing violators.
 
jeebs said:
In fairness to Iamtdg and his many many retarded positions, he has said he supports cameras on police and punishing violators.
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In that case what were you two arguing about for the last two pages?
 
Clay_Allison said:
In that case what were you two arguing about for the last two pages?
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Most of the time I don't even know. If you can't follow it how am I supposed to

Maybe he says things in a positive way and I say things in a negative way.
 
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Cops are way too hung up on isolated incidents of police shooting, now let me report that I have seen them speed sometimes as evidence that we need to overhaul every aspect of policing.

Fvck the police.
 
Cameras on cops is an excellent idea, for both the cops and the public.

Privatized security forces is a terrible idea, born as much out of "the free market fixes everything... EVERYTHING" mindset as it is any genuine desire to make policing more efficient and transparent. The idea may be that police would be more accountable to "customers." How does that tend to work out with directly-elected judges and their stunt sentencing, or the increasing "customer" mindset among parents in their relationships with their children's teachers? The general populace is "tough on crime." Wait till you get a private company that operates under the mindset that it has to keep up with demand.
 
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Casinos, theme parks, and colleges all manage to have their own private police forces. They all seem to have much better customer relations than your average officer. All of them manage to not have a militarized police force with an us vs them minds set. Why couldn't couldn't neighborhoods operate under similar forces? Why couldn't there be 10 independent police forces in a city (with a central government homicide, internal affairs, and gang task force.

If citizens didn't like their service, companies would lose contracts and be replaced by companies that have higher satisfaction ratings.

It is not a pipe dream, private sector employees are tend more towards a customer orientatikn than government employees (who have a tendency to be officious and imperious, I hold up the DMV as an example)
 
Casinos, theme parks and colleges tend to require police action that it is very limited in scope. Another potential comparison is a firm like Blackwater (or whatever they call themselves now). How did they do in Iraq?

Think a while on what drug interdiction might be like when the police force is operating solely to please customers who are demanding a crackdown. It could be a lot worse than it is now.
 
L.T. Fan said:
Is it your position that the bachelor degree would affect or change the tendencies of someone?
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2010 Michigan State University study found that cops with a two or four-year degree resorted to using force 56 percent of the time, while those with only a GED or high school diploma used force 68 percent of the time. The Bureau of Justice Statistics found in 2003 that 83 percent of U.S. police agencies require cops only to have a GED or high school diploma, and only one percent require a four-year college degree.
 
Iamtdg said:
Yeah, it's 5%. I believe I said that.
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I saw an article that said it was 1%.

While the cases make headlines, experts say the number of police officers who run afoul of the laws they’re sworn to uphold is low.
“We’re finding the numbers are pretty constant,” said Neal Trautman, executive director of the National Institute of Ethics and author of “How to be a Great Cop.” “It is less than 1 percent.”
- See more at: http://m.wickedlocal.com/article/20090302/News/303029970#sthash.3Q4U1pNW.dpuf
 
Also saw that there were more like 780,000 cops in the country about 245 cops per 100,000 people per the site. Wikipedia
 
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Clay_Allison said:
It's been pointed out, and Forts agreed with it, that better video monitoring of cops actually protects the good cops. Hell, protecting the good cops from false accusations and reducing complaints and lawsuits overall is a win-win for the cops and the PD. Pretty much the only people against it are the "5%" of dirty cops and I guess Iamtdg.
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I agree with personal cameras protects everyone. I read also that in 2010 there were something like 5000 cases in the country of police misconduct.
 
jeebs said:
Most of the time I don't even know. If you can't follow it how am I supposed to

Maybe he says things in a positive way and I say things in a negative way.
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You wanna keep this non-argument going, pal?!
 
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