Extending Pickens

ravidubey said:
So after you turned in a year like Pickens did, where he was not good but elite, you would sit back and take 25-33% less than you're worth during a precious remaining season of your career?
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I wouldn't have put myself in a position to be questioned in the first place if I had elite talent.

But I also understand how the system works (meaning the team is within its rights to not sign me long term but also retain my rights with the tag, because we're in a unique position where it's just cheaper that way than the market currently dictates) and I'd be insanely happy to make 28 million dollars in one year with a strong probability of making much much more in future years.

I'd be thrilled. It literally wouldn't bother me to play on a one year 28 million dollar contract.
 
Genghis Khan said:
What another team does with their players is irrelevant.

Pickens has had disciplinary issues even if we just look at his time in Dallas. He was literally benched for a series. And several local reporters have hinted that there were other issues throughout the season.

On top of that it was his only truly elite season out of four in his career and only his second above 1000 yards.

Saying he's "given them no good reason to doubt him" just isn't true.

If it were up to me I'd sign him long term right now and just figure it out but it's silly to say he hasn't given them any reason to doubt him.
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That a lot of innuendo. His benching was one series in an outstanding season. You can’t be perfect every game and that game was Pickens’ worst. Players have bad games.

I’m hoping there’s something to it, that he has been missing meetings, showing up late, farting inappropriately in front of Charlotte, or whatever and this is Dallas’ public stance as they hope to privately resolve all this stuff with improved behavior. But we’ve seen nothing actually reported about any of this. It’s just some vague innuendo that frankly serves the Cowboys well to have their shills spread.

But Pickens has shown a lot in four years, especially given the conservative Steeler offense and bad QBs. You can’t actually believe Pickens hasn’t shown up on the field. It’s not a credible stance.

Pedigree, talent, his explosive performance in Dallas— his relatively less productive 1st and 3rd seasons— those are on Pittsburgh.

And performance and contracts of other players absolutely are relevant. Each one establishes market values and standards of behavior and availability.

No matter how much they mistrust Picken’s supposed “behavior”, it can’t be to the tune of 20 games of just not showing up. Market established— NFL teams can sign WRs even when risks are elevated.

And in Watson’s case, they are clearly documented risks, facts, not innuendo.
 
ravidubey said:
Few with pride in their work and talent are willing to take a 25% paycut for literally no documentable reason beyond a momentary benching and rumors alluded to by shills.
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Where is Pickins taking a paycut? You have to actually be making that salary then dropping down to be considered a pay cut. Just because you think that's what he might make eventually, doesn't mean that was actually what he was making. If anything, this franchise tag is a massive raise for him.
 
NoDak said:
Where is Pickins taking a paycut? You have to actually be making that salary then dropping down to be considered a pay cut. Just because you think that's what he might make eventually, doesn't mean that was actually what he was making. If anything, this franchise tag is a massive raise for him.
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Since last year sure, but relative to where he’d be with a long term deal? No. And that is clearly what we’re talking about
 
ravidubey said:
Since last year sure, but relative to where he’d be with a long term deal? No. And that is clearly what we’re talking about
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He's still not taking a pay cut, no matter how you want to present it. In fact, he got what? Something like a 700% raise from last year? 3.6 mil to 27.3 mil a year. Those numbers are a fact. Not whatever it is you're doing here.

Sure. Players would prefer the guarantee of a longterm contract. But he isn't getting it yet. For whatever reason. None of us truly know what that is. But you're carrying on like he's being asked to work like a fucking slave for nothing. He's getting over TWENTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS GUARANTEED. If he even has half a brain in his head, this ONE year sets him up for life. And his kids up for life. And his grandkids up for life. So you'll forgive me for not feeling sorry for him. His past attitude and history has him in the position he is in now contractually. Yet he still now owns generational wealth.
 
ravidubey said:
That a lot of innuendo. His benching was one series in an outstanding season. You can’t be perfect every game and that game was Pickens’ worst. Players have bad games.

I’m hoping there’s something to it, that he has been missing meetings, showing up late, farting inappropriately in front of Charlotte, or whatever and this is Dallas’ public stance as they hope to privately resolve all this stuff with improved behavior. But we’ve seen nothing actually reported about any of this. It’s just some vague innuendo that frankly serves the Cowboys well to have their shills spread.
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If you think what led to his benching was his only incident off the field all year, I have a bridge to sell you.
 
Simpleton said:
I don't mind them wanting to see this guy two years in a row before making a big investment, but if the idea is to just hold onto him for this year because you can't figure out how to make it work financially in the long term, and then do who knows what in 8 months, then they're idiots.
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That’s exactly what it is . These hillbillies are so cap incompetent that they can’t figure it out . So here we stand a “ shocker “ … we are dragging out another contract negotiation only to fuck ourselves in the end.
 
NoDak said:
He's still not taking a pay cut, no matter how you want to present it. In fact, he got what? Something like a 700% raise from last year? 3.6 mil to 27.3 mil a year. Those numbers are a fact. Not whatever it is you're doing here.

Sure. Players would prefer the guarantee of a longterm contract. But he isn't getting it yet. For whatever reason. None of us truly know what that is. But you're carrying on like he's being asked to work like a fucking slave for nothing. He's getting over TWENTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS GUARANTEED. If he even has half a brain in his head, this ONE year sets him up for life. And his kids up for life. And his grandkids up for life. So you'll forgive me for not feeling sorry for him. His past attitude and history has him in the position he is in now contractually. Yet he still now owns generational wealth.
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I’m presenting a point of view.

Say instead of that 27 million, you can get 125 million with 100 guaranteed, both near and long term security and familial wealth, wouldn’t it be prudent to at least try for it? You’re saying, no, you wouldn’t even try. You could get injured. Then what? The reward for being a stand up guy is a pat on the back and a private snicker from the Joneses.
 
ravidubey said:
I’m presenting a point of view.

Say instead of that 27 million, you can get 125 million with 100 guaranteed, both near and long term security and familial wealth, wouldn’t it be prudent to at least try for it? You’re saying, no, you wouldn’t even try. You could get injured. Then what? The reward for being a stand up guy is a pat on the back and a private snicker from the Joneses.
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:lol. Yeah… that’s what I’m saying.

Carry on.
 
Not sure why we should be feeling so sorry for Pickens. He was a second rounder because he was a head case at Georgia. He's playing under the system his union negotiated. He's making 27 mil this year and if he can just fly straight he'll make tons more than that the next few years. These days the agents take out huge insurance contracts in case of injury.

Don't understand why he has it so bad.
 
Genghis Khan said:
After this season Pickens will have made about $35 million in his career.

Yeah.

If he stays relatively behaved he'll top $100 million plus, even after getting gasp the franchise tag.

It's extremely silly to think he's some aggrieved victim.
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It's the system in place. Agreed upon by by the players union in collective bargaining. People act like this is something the team just conjured up and decided to oppress poor Pickens with it.
 
NoDak said:
It's the system in place. Agreed upon by by the players union in collective bargaining. People act like this is something the team just conjured up and decided to oppress poor Pickens with it.
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Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I don't feel bad for Pickens. He is going to make a lot of money this season. But I hate the approach by the Cowboys of just saying, we aren't doing a long term deal with you right now. I think they unnecessarily create these contentious situations that tend to impact the overall season as they drag through training camp.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I don't feel bad for Pickens. He is going to make a lot of money this season. But I hate the approach by the Cowboys of just saying, we aren't doing a long term deal with you right now. I think they unnecessarily create these contentious situations that tend to impact the overall season as they drag through training camp.
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That's just it.

He's not some kind of victim, if anything Pickens has caused his own challenges.

I'm just saying we shouldn't be surprised if he goes for what he can.

A holdout might be his best move.

I don't have any sympathy for his situation-- no one's banging on my door to pay me 27 million, but seeing it from his perspective I can understand if he holds out.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I don't feel bad for Pickens. He is going to make a lot of money this season. But I hate the approach by the Cowboys of just saying, we aren't doing a long term deal with you right now. I think they unnecessarily create these contentious situations that tend to impact the overall season as they drag through training camp.
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Right, that's what bothers me the most about this whole thing as well.

Other teams find ways to get stars resigned quickly to big deals. The only team that seems to struggle with this and draw it out each and every time are the Cowboys.
 
Texas Ace said:
Right, that's what bothers me the most about this whole thing as well.

Other teams find ways to get stars resigned quickly to big deals. The only team that seems to struggle with this and draw it out each and every time are the Cowboys.
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Other teams have a GM whose livelihood relies performing his duties at full capacity.

our GM is hosting futbol games and coordinating summer concerts.

Stringing the contract deals out keeps the team in the news during an otherwise slow news cycle, generating merchandise sells for the Jones's automatic money printing enterprise.

The team is now worth $13billion.

It is only about the money.
 
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