The Immigration/Deportation/ICE Thread

Also, to be fair to the ICE officer that shot him, the guy did reach for his gun. He just didn't know it was already gone. But, the ICE officer may not have known that either. And then when he heard the shot he neutralized what he thought was the threat. Imagine, this all happened in seconds. Just a tragic event.
 
Yeah, I'm kind of over the Zapruder-like frame by frame dissection. The guy showed up to disrupt the lawful enforcement of our criminal statutes and did so armed. When LEOs have to make split second decisions like this, these things can happen. It is a shame that someone had to lose his life, but don't put yourself in that position and it won't happen.
 
Cotton said:
Also, to be fair to the ICE officer that shot him, the guy did reach for his gun. He just didn't know it was already gone. But, the ICE officer may not have known that either. And then when he heard the shot he neutralized what he thought was the threat. Imagine, this all happened in seconds. Just a tragic event.
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And even if this is a bad shooting, I don’t know how you can hold law enforcement to such impossible standards. Having to detain a guy who is armed and actively resisting is probably not a very pleasant experience. Every time his hand moves in the general direction of his weapon, you have to make a split second decision that may cost you your life, those of your partners, or the guy you’re trying to detain. I can’t imagine the stress of having to do that job where people are aggressively obstructing you and may or may not kill you. You can’t view this incident in a vacuum. A broader context is needed. The protesters are all so goddamn crazy and unpredictable, you don’t know what they’re going to do.

And of course, we’ll probably never see the actions that led to him being detained in the first place. I seriously doubt he was standing there minding his own business. That ain’t what they do.

This could all end if the liberal politicians in Minnesota actually cared about people. They want this. They are fomenting the unrest in hopes of things like this happening.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Truth.

As Cynical Publius has been saying, all Dems should be asked (paraphrasing), "Why do you oppose the legal enforcement of bipartisan laws that have been on the books for decades?"
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I think it’s the heavy handed way they’re doing it. That and the fact they said they were going to target the worst of the worst and that’s gotten way off track.
 
Irving Cowboy said:
I think it’s the heavy handed way they’re doing it. That and the fact they said they were going to target the worst of the worst and that’s gotten way off track.
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How do you propose they do it, then? These guys aren't exactly turning themselves in.
 
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A friend posted this on facebook

Personal Perspective on the Pretti shooting:

Fact:

1. Minneapolis is 80% Democrat

2. Democrats are largely hostile to the Second Ammendment, seeing it as a government regulated privilege versus an Uninfringable, Immutable, Natural Right.

3. Ironically or more truthfully opportunistically Democrats have as of yesterday become 2A supporters and gun enthusiasts. The difference between those on the Left and Right is that the Right typically does not protest, riot, obstruct and assault. And while we are fervent defenders of the Second Amendment, we typically engage our Right judiciously without ostentatious display or to instigate confrontation with LEOs.

4. Democrats bend the First Amendment for their benefit to include redefining LEO obstruction, assault and physical altercation as First Amendment peaceful assembly.

5. Illegal Aliens are guilty of committing a criminal act and should expect a visit from ICE and to be deported. Americans should be unified in that effort now as they were of Obama's Administration who were as aggressive and to date, more successful in deportation numbers.

6. We cannot know what Pretti was thinking, but, carrying a Sig P320 with 3 loaded mags with no ID while also intending to confront and obstruct an ICE Operation which is both illegal and selective in his application of outrage was at the very least a display of poor judgment.

Those of us who who have defended 2A our entire lives, have carried for as long, also respect Law Enforcement and many of us have defended the Nation in wars and/or the street as LEOs. We live judicious, peaceful lives without pushing the bounds of civility especially while armed.

7. No Illegal Alien has a legal argument for having breached any Sovereign Border anywhere on earth. No American citizen has any legitimate argument for extending a unique forgiveness to illegals much less concealing illegals or obstructing a lawful, Congressionally mandated effort to remove them.

Did Pretti deserve to die? No

Did Pretti use astoundingly poor judgment which specifically lead to his death? Yes

Is the establishment of "sanctuary" enclaves to shield illegal aliens in contravention of Federal Law not itself a criminal act? Is a politician's call for a Citizen obstruction of Federal LEO Operation not in fact an actionable crime? How could either of these be dismissed as having fertilized the field for Pretti's series of poor decisions which put CBP Officers in an untenable, predictably escalatory environment with Pretti physically resisting Officers to his very end?

Again, did Pretti "deserve" to die? No. But as an ironically, Leftist defended lawful gun owner, he acted contrary to what gun owners nationwide typically know how to behave which unfortunately directly led to his death.

An investigation will determine whether CBP acted appropriately and no, a highly partisan, self delegitimized, prejudiced Minnesota Lynch Mob who have already passed judgment should not be allowed to further poison the well.

Unfortunately, this is unlikely to end until the ICE Operation in Minneapolis is deemed finished because there is no indication the rioters are going to let up or that the politicians are going to grow up, act and speak responsibly any time soon.
 
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Statement from the Libertarian Party:

ICE is a division of the Department of Homeland Security. Much like DHS itself, it was spawned as a response to 9/11 and the Global War on Terror. ICE was created in a national security context, blending immigration enforcement with counterterrorism culture, equipment, and mindset.

What we are seeing in the United States is the rise of the warrior cop. Masked federal agents donning multicam and plate carriers, injected into civilian life with a GWOT mentality. This is no routine law enforcement. This is occupation-style policing.

Until recently, immigration enforcement was overwhelmingly a civil matter. Visa overstays, border crossings, and asylum claims were processed administratively rather than treated as battlefield threats. Under the current administration, immigration is increasingly framed as criminality itself. So when the President says they are “going after criminals,” that definition quietly expands to include visa overstays, people in green card or asylum processing, and peaceful individuals caught in bureaucratic limbo. This framing becomes the justification for the police state.

The Department of Homeland Security has now taken the position, via internal guidance, that entering homes without a judicial warrant using administrative authority is lawful. This is an assertion by fiat, not a principle recognized by the Constitution, statute, or the courts. The Fourth Amendment does not bend to agency memos.

The militarization of domestic enforcement did not happen overnight.

The surplus weapons, vehicles, and equipment from foreign wars were gradually brought home and distributed to federal agencies and police departments through long-standing programs that accelerated after 9/11. The tools of war have been normalized in civilian governance.

Now those weapons, systems, and intelligence apparatuses are being used against immigrants and citizens alike.
Soon, they will be used against you.

The technocratic police state is designed for mission creep. Powers justified for one emergency expand to the next, until they are permanent, all-seeing, and unquestioned.

The left fights in the streets. The right cheers the legitimacy of the force used against them. Together, they move in a morbid waltz toward total technocratic control.

Do not be fooled. Every justification for state violence will be depersonalized, amplified, and systematized until it is a permanent feature of governance.

Abolish ICE. Reform the broken immigration system. Do not give the police state an inch.

– @StevenNekhaila
Chairman, Libertarian National Committee
 
The Libertarian party is not even close to the party it used to be. I leaned Libertarian for a while until they went whacko.
 
Stopped reading after the ridiculous second paragraph.
 
Don't forget the new rules about being armed at a protest under a (D) administration.

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The left fights in the streets. They are proving to be terrible at it.

I encourage them to keep at it.
 
Bipo said:
Don't forget the new rules about being armed at a protest under a (D) administration.

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I don’t think anyone has a problem with anyone being armed at a protest or anywhere else where most of us are concerned.

It becomes a problem when you think you’re bullet proof and start a scuffle with LEOs.

We’ve seen two mush brains get pumped full of bullets. How many more before you guys learn the rules?
 
Sheik said:
The left fights in the streets. They are proving to be terrible at it.

I encourage them to keep at it.
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Yeah, fuck it. Go out there and die for nothing. I don’t give af anymore.
 
Sheik said:
I don’t think anyone has a problem with anyone being armed at a protest or anywhere else where most of us are concerned.

It becomes a problem when you think you’re bullet proof and start a scuffle with LEOs.

We’ve seen two mush brains get pumped full of bullets. How many more before you guys learn the rules?
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Wtf video did you watch where he started a scuffle with those assholes? Fucking seriously?
 
Irving Cowboy said:
Wtf video did you watch where he started a scuffle with those assholes? Fucking seriously?
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I would like to see what happened before the videoing started. They didn't just approach this guy randomly.
 
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