2025 NFL Draft Chatter

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didn't Emmitt have a shitload of carries in HS and college?
 
bbgun said:
didn't Emmitt have a shitload of carries in HS and college?
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He only had 700 in college, Jeanty will surpass that by about 100. A bunch of guys had heavy workloads recently and were fine though, namely Derrick Henry and Jonathan Taylor.
 
Unless things get super weird with us running off another 3 wins in a row and finishing with 8 or 9 wins, it seems we're going to be more or less locked into the 10-15 range.

In that case I think the main considerations for the pick should come down to the DL (Harmon and Pearce primarily, maybe Mykel Williams and Scourton), Jeanty and Starks. I assume McMillan will be gone but if he's there throw him in the mix too, and if Graham is there he's the no-brainer option although I think Harmon is closing on him in my mind.
 
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I assume McMillan will be gone but if he's there throw him in the mix too, and if Graham is there he's the no-brainer option although I think Harmon is closing on him in my mind.
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Somehow I feel like Graham is that kind of player who falls after the season and people find ways to put his competitors ahead of him, but still ends up being the best player. (Unless he somehow tests great.)
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Somehow I feel like Graham is that kind of player who falls after the season and people find ways to put his competitors ahead of him, but still ends up being the best player. (Unless he somehow tests great.)
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I think sometimes guys get hyped for so long and are so steady that people get bored with them and start poking nitpicky holes.

On one hand you have a guy like Carter who started the year well behind Graham as a prospect, with a number of questions about his game, but he's improved in a very visible way, so he's ascending to a near top 5 lock (rightfully). On the other Graham has just been one of the best DT's in college the last two years, he hasn't really improved necessarily, but he's stayed steady as one of the most well-rounded college DT's so I think the "draft community" and even some teams get bored with it and start focusing on other guys as there isn't as much excitement there anymore.

That's especially true when someone randomly pops up and looks like they've made a huge jump and are now in the conversation with Graham like Harmon has done, but that doesn't mean that Harmon is the better prospect, it just means that you're seeing a guy making a jump to that level while Graham is already there.

I do think that there isn't as huge a gap between Graham and Harmon as some might (including myself a month or so ago), although I'd still take Graham if the option is there.
 
Simpleton said:
I think sometimes guys get hyped for so long and are so steady that people get bored with them and start poking nitpicky holes.
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That's exactly what it is.

That and in the cottage industry that is draft coverage, the "gurus" need some hook to sell people their product, so they shuffle people around. They can't very well say, "I've watched all the tape and decided on these guys" and not change leading up to the draft, because that wouldn't generate new interest/clicks/sales.
 
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Yep, I saw all of this live, I have no idea how he wasn't credited for a TFL on 1-2 of those plays because the box score has him down for 0.

Harmon looked just as good against Washington though, and while the caliber of opponent wasn't quite the same, he was also excellent vs. Ohio St. earlier in the year and dominated against Boise St. as well.

We can't really go wrong between these two, Jeanty, Starks and Pearce. Mykel Williams is a bit of a concern for me but if we re-sign Lawrence and/or Lawson/Golston, I'd hope that they'd avoid a player like Williams.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
That's exactly what it is.

That and in the cottage industry that is draft coverage, the "gurus" need some hook to sell people their product, so they shuffle people around. They can't very well say, "I've watched all the tape and decided on these guys" and not change leading up to the draft, because that wouldn't generate new interest/clicks/sales.
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Yea it's a joke, I'll have my mind more or less made up on the top guys in our range by the end of the college season. There will be slight shifts based on the Senior Bowl, combine, what we do in FA (lol), etc., but for the most part I'll have my mind made up.

The only thing that really changes things is when I go back and watch a player in March that I didn't pay much attention to all year.
 
Simpleton said:
Yea it's a joke, I'll have my mind more or less made up on the top guys in our range by the end of the college season. There will be slight shifts based on the Senior Bowl, combine, what we do in FA (lol), etc., but for the most part I'll have my mind made up.

The only thing that really changes things is when I go back and watch a player in March that I didn't pay much attention to all year.
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Right now I'd be happy to take Harmon or Graham. Prefer Graham but I wouldn't be upset at all if it was Harmon.

So we won't be picking as high as we once thought or hoped but the good news is we should still be sitting around with first rounders left on our board. In a way it should make it easy. Take the guy with the first round grade. I'm not even sure I'd eliminate any positions outside of probably QB (More so because I'm not in love with this QB class, no one is convincing me Milroe is a first rounder).

So if it's McMillan still on the board, I'm game. Harmon or Graham, absolutely. Jeanty yep. Abdul Carter of course. Hell where we are picking, I might even consider Malaki Starks. Safety in the first seems a bit extreme but if the guy is a stud then I say why not. We have had good safeties for awhile. But we haven't had a special safety since Woodson. This guy could be a special type safety.
 
I didn't mention O-line. I wouldn't be opposed to it but I don't love the top of this OT class. The Texas kids and Will Campbell feel overrated to me. If I was in the back half of the first, I'd be on it. But I'm not sure any of the O-lineman stick out to me as the type I can say put at LT and forget it. I'd just keep working on Guyton and Asim and see where it goes. Maybe my opinion on the OT's will change as we get a little further along. Again, I'm not opposed to a guy who is a badass RT or LT. Or maybe even one that can shift inside to RG and replace Martin. But I don't know that I feel that way about Will Campbell for example. But if we have a Zach Martin type grade on him, go for it.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
I didn't mention O-line. I wouldn't be opposed to it but I don't love the top of this OT class. The Texas kids and Will Campbell feel overrated to me. If I was in the back half of the first, I'd be on it. But I'm not sure any of the O-lineman stick out to me as the type I can say put at LT and forget it. I'd just keep working on Guyton and Asim and see where it goes. Maybe my opinion on the OT's will change as we get a little further along. Again, I'm not opposed to a guy who is a badass RT or LT. Or maybe even one that can shift inside to RG and replace Martin. But I don't know that I feel that way about Will Campbell for example. But if we have a Zach Martin type grade on him, go for it.
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Banks got lucky Saturday night. Just an ankle injury but could have been a knee.

I think Broaddus is not a fan of Campbell and he is a huge LSU homer. Think he mentioned too inconsistent.
 
Rev said:
Banks got lucky Saturday night. Just an ankle injury but could have been a knee.

I think Broaddus is not a fan of Campbell and he is a huge LSU homer. Think he mentioned too inconsistent.
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Banks is 18 on Bruglars board. His write up also gives me this sort of meh feel:

Whether you like him best at tackle or guard (NFL teams are split), Banks is a quality offensive lineman because of his ability to maintain leverage and create force through his body mechanics. He spends too much time on the ground, but the tools are there for him to become an immediate NFL starter.

I think I sort of agree with Bryan (Don't make me gag) that Josh Simmons is the best OT in this class but his knee injury just makes me not super comfortable. I just think if you want to draft a guy who is going to play LT for you? Or RT? This dude is the best choice. From Banks and Campbell I sort of get the feeling that these are guys who may be playing guard in the NFL soon. And I'm not really excited about it. And the other possible first round OT's all carry the raw grade. Which then I'm back to, develop Asim and Guyton.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
I didn't mention O-line. I wouldn't be opposed to it but I don't love the top of this OT class. The Texas kids and Will Campbell feel overrated to me. If I was in the back half of the first, I'd be on it. But I'm not sure any of the O-lineman stick out to me as the type I can say put at LT and forget it. I'd just keep working on Guyton and Asim and see where it goes. Maybe my opinion on the OT's will change as we get a little further along. Again, I'm not opposed to a guy who is a badass RT or LT. Or maybe even one that can shift inside to RG and replace Martin. But I don't know that I feel that way about Will Campbell for example. But if we have a Zach Martin type grade on him, go for it.
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I wouldn't consider OL in the first, not necessarily because of the positional value and our roster but I just don't love the top OL prospects relative to what should be available at other positions.

I might consider Banks to some extent but it'd take a really strange scenario to play out for me to really seriously consider OL as a top option.
 
Simpleton said:
I wouldn't consider OL in the first, not necessarily because of the positional value and our roster but I just don't love the top OL prospects relative to what should be available at other positions.

I might consider Banks to some extent but it'd take a really strange scenario to play out for me to really seriously consider OL as a top option.
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This is kind of how I feel. I just don't love these O-lineman for a top 15 pick. Not that they are terrible. It just wouldn't feel like good value. Would instead feel like we are drafting someone that we could have gotten most years picking in the 20s.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
This is kind of how I feel. I just don't love these O-lineman for a top 15 pick. Not that they are terrible. It just wouldn't feel like good value. Would instead feel like we are drafting someone that we could have gotten most years picking in the 20s.
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I don't think either of the top two OL would've went top 15 last year, although that was an exceedingly deep OL class.
 
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