2024 NFL Coaches/GMs Firing & Hiring Thread

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I'm not even arguing whether it's an issue or equal or not. But the sentiment that "it doesn't happen for black folks" is demonstrably false and the only people that benefit from statements like that are race hucksters like Steven A Smith.
 
Simpleton said:
Mayo?

The guy who was just hired as a HC for the first time like two weeks ago?

It's definitely overexaggerated but my point is that I can't think of a single example like Kingsbury who literally proved nothing before getting a HC job, did a middling job at that, and then turned right around and got a coordinator job based on literally nothing.

At least guys like Crennell, Bowles and so forth had legit skins on the wall, Kingsbury has done literally nothing, not one single thing, to earn a spot in the NFL.
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Yes Mayo. Remind me again what he's done to earn a HC job other than knowing people on the Patriots? That's what we're talking about right?

I don't see anything in this guy's resume that makes me think he'd be a good HC (I'd say the same about Vrabel as well as singletary by the way so it's not a race thing).

Also I think you are exaggerating Kingsbury's lack of qualifications (I don't think he's super qualified don't get me wrong but he did run highly productive college offenses and he's young, so let's not pretend those things don't matter to front offices). The point is that it's silly to suggest his hiring is racially motivated.
 
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Yes Mayo. Remind me again what he's done to earn a HC job other than knowing people on the Patriots? That's what we're talking about right?

I don't see anything in this guy's resume that makes me think he'd be a good HC (I'd say the same about Vrabel as well as singletary by the way so it's not a race thing).

Also I think you are exaggerating Kingsbury's lack of qualifications (I don't think he's super qualified don't get me wrong but he did run highly productive college offenses and he's young, so let's not pretend those things don't matter to front offices). The point is that it's silly to suggest his hiring is racially motivated.
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It's not racially motivated but I think the point was that a black coach with Kingsbury's resume wouldn't have gotten all these opportunities (historically, that could easily be changing as we speak), and I'd agree with that.
 
Simpleton said:
It's not racially motivated
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I guess we're done here then? Because that was the entire point.

Simpleton said:
the point was that a black coach with Kingsbury's resume wouldn't have gotten all these opportunities
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This is demonstrably not true, which is why I brought up guys like Mayo and Singletary who had no significant coaching resumes when they were hired as HCs.

This is what Wikipedia says about Mayo's coaching resume.

As a coach:

New England Patriots (2019–2023)
Inside linebackers coach

New England Patriots (2024–present)
Head coach

Here is Singletary up to becoming a HC:

As a coach:
Baltimore Ravens (2003–2004)
Linebackers coach

San Francisco 49ers (2005–2008)
Assistant head coach & linebackers coach

San Francisco 49ers (2008)
Interim head coach

San Francisco 49ers (2009–2010)
Head coach

I'm sure there are more examples.


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Except the discussion was never about historically. Steven A said it doesn't happen for black folks, which is present tense.
 
Mayo and Singletary were at least assistants on top defenses, Kingsbury was an under .500 college coach who got a HC job because he coached Mahomes for a year or some nonsense.

Massive difference.
 
Simpleton said:
Mayo and Singletary were at least assistants on top defenses, Kingsbury was an under .500 college coach who got a HC job because he coached Mahomes for a year or some nonsense.

Massive difference.
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I don't think anyone is claiming Kingsbury has a strong resume. The question is if it happens for black guys too, and it does.

Also, no it's not a massive difference. When you are a position coach only (and for only a couple of years) and then get hired as a HC, you were literally riding on someone else's coattails.
 
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Kingsbury is an outlier, though. The Cards tried the experiment of an Air Raid QB with an Air Raid college coach so there would be an easy transition.

But BTW, who else was an exclusively Air Raid guy? Caleb Williams. One of the few ways this makes sense is if Washington is planning on getting him. (Not that it makes sense really, but it could be what they're thinking.)
 


Well, I guess it is a good thing that the Raiders did this. Otherwise, he might wander into a job in Dallas.
 
All I know is Belichick to Raheem Morris is the biggest letdown in history.

No idea how they expect to sell season tickets.
 
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