Why Young Americans Are Giving Up on Capitalism

[skidadl]

But we are more productive as a nation than many years ago, so how does that fit into your narrative?

I don't have a narrative, I just live in the real world.

I've hired over 200 general laborers. That is when my perspective changed on hiring illegals. In my world of responding to major hurricanes in this country I know exactly who produces.

A lot of it has to do with the shift we in what we do as a country. We are now mainly consumers and are no longer a country that produces. All of the factories are gone. Trades are mostly done by older workers as we have a trade worker deficit. Technology has increased productivity. Pretty soon kiosks will make McDonalds more productive, so how would that scenario be attributed to people working harder. How can young people be more productive if they don't do labor?

You are letting your feelings drive your opinion. Young Americans simply do not do what they did in times past.

I'll stand by while you search for an article to prove your emotional point (written by a millennial).

 

[townsend]

I don't have a narrative, I just live in the real world.

I've hired over 200 general laborers. That is when my perspective changed on hiring illegals. In my world of responding to major hurricanes in this country I know exactly who produces.

A lot of it has to do with the shift we in what we do as a country. We are now mainly consumers and are no longer a country that produces. All of the factories are gone. Trades are mostly done by older workers as we have a trade worker deficit. Technology has increased productivity. Pretty soon kiosks will make McDonalds more productive, so how would that scenario be attributed to people working harder. How can young people be more productive if they don't do labor?

You are letting your feelings drive your opinion. Young Americans simply do not do what they did in times past.

I'll stand by while you search for an article to prove your emotional point (written by a millennial).

I think you have kind of a point. In that the shift in economy and our perception of success, has fundamentally altered what an American worker looks like.

But more than "America doesn't make anything anymore" which isn't exactly true, I think it's more correct to say "Americans don't go into the workforce with very many job skills anymore."

We've changed the face of eduction to be 100% cerebral, and a lot of adults hit the market without any understanding of how to do a thing. Also since technology has advanced so much, and manufacturers actively prevent consumers from repairing their equipment, it's just a lot harder to teach a kid nowadays how to work on a thing. Mike Rowe has also touched on how much contempt has been sewn for blue collar workers, even in skilled professions.

I spent two years on a submarine with a crew of 99% millennials, we worked 100 hour weeks by default. We had a culture of mentorship (that eventually went away when it all went to hell) that ingrained a very strong work ethic into the crew.

This generation was a generation of someone elses kids, that were taught to pass tests.

 

[skidadl]

I think you have kind of a point. In that the shift in economy and our perception of success, has fundamentally altered what an American worker looks like.

But more than "America doesn't make anything anymore" which isn't exactly true, I think it's more correct to say "Americans don't go into the workforce with very many job skills anymore."

We've changed the face of eduction to be 100% cerebral, and a lot of adults hit the market without any understanding of how to do a thing. Also since technology has advanced so much, and manufacturers actively prevent consumers from repairing their equipment, it's just a lot harder to teach a kid nowadays how to work on a thing. Mike Rowe has also touched on how much contempt has been sewn for blue collar workers, even in skilled professions.

I spent two years on a submarine with a crew of 99% millennials, we worked 100 hour weeks by default. We had a culture of mentorship (that eventually went away when it all went to hell) that ingrained a very strong work ethic into the crew.

This generation was a generation of someone elses kids, that were taught to pass tests.

I totally agree.

 

[fortsbest]

And you know this how?

How many people advocating for 15 dollars an hour do you know personally about their background and work ethic?

And tie it all up with a blast against the left for good measure.

I mean really how do you know about the "drive" of all of these people?

Personal interaction experience sir. I see it every day. Lack of motivation to better one's self or their situation. Conversation with people about getting better jobs or improving their lot through education. I think you have the opinion that policing is just answer calls and arrest or cite people without actual human interaction.

And tell me one person on the right who is advocating for a higher minimum wage?

 

[Cotton]

Personal interaction experience sir. I see it every day. Lack of motivation to better one's self or their situation. Conversation with people about getting better jobs or improving their lot through education. I think you have the opinion that policing is just answer calls and arrest or cite people without actual human interaction.

And tell me one person on the right who is advocating for a higher minimum wage?

Bullshit. Unless you can google and find an article about it, I'm not buying it.

 

[2233boys]

Personal interaction experience sir. I see it every day. Lack of motivation to better one's self or their situation. Conversation with people about getting better jobs or improving their lot through education. I think you have the opinion that policing is just answer calls and arrest or cite people without actual human interaction.

And tell me one person on the right who is advocating for a higher minimum wage?

That isn't germane to millennials, it goes across broad spectrum of our population, every age group, economic background, race, All Demographics. It isn't more prevalent in one generation than the next. I know for a fact the same things were said about my generation, and the same things were said about the, me generation and the boomers from the older generations.

It's skewed perspective based on nostalgia and fear. Good article on it from 2012

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamthierer/2012/01/08/why-do-we-always-sell-the-next-generation-short/#764bb1e02d75

 

[Jiggyfly]

I don't have a narrative, I just live in the real world.

I've hired over 200 general laborers. That is when my perspective changed on hiring illegals. In my world of responding to major hurricanes in this country I know exactly who produces.

A lot of it has to do with the shift we in what we do as a country. We are now mainly consumers and are no longer a country that produces. All of the factories are gone. Trades are mostly done by older workers as we have a trade worker deficit. Technology has increased productivity. Pretty soon kiosks will make McDonalds more productive, so how would that scenario be attributed to people working harder. How can young people be more productive if they don't do labor?

You are letting your feelings drive your opinion. Young Americans simply do not do what they did in times past.

I'll stand by while you search for an article to prove your emotional point (written by a millennial).

Don't need an article because I know actual young people that actually don't mind working.

And I never said young Americans do the same things they did in the past, way to move those goalpost, my point is that you can't paint an entire generation of people with the same brush and claim they do not want to work.

Because that is simply not true.

And yes you definitely have a narrative, you extrapolated your experience onto a whole generation of young people.

You act like everybody your age would have been gung ho about doing that type of work as well.

 

[L.T. Fan]

That isn't germane to millennials, it goes across broad spectrum of our population, every age group, economic background, race, All Demographics. It isn't more prevalent in one generation than the next. I know for a fact the same things were said about my generation, and the same things were said about the, me generation and the boomers from the older generations.

It's skewed perspective based on nostalgia and fear. Good article on it from 2012

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamthierer/2012/01/08/why-do-we-always-sell-the-next-generation-short/#764bb1e02d75

Then you would debunk the article that was posted as being erroneous? Bernie and his followers would be sad.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Personal interaction experience sir. I see it every day. Lack of motivation to better one's self or their situation. Conversation with people about getting better jobs or improving their lot through education. I think you have the opinion that policing is just answer calls and arrest or cite people without actual human interaction.

And tell me one person on the right who is advocating for a higher minimum wage?

Really?

During a press conference in Florida while Democrats were preparing for the third night of their national convention in Philadelphia, Donald Trump was asked a question about his stance on whether to raise the minimum wage.

Here’s what he said:

"The minimum wage has to go up. People are -- at least $10, but it has to go up. But I think that states -- federal -- I think that states should really call the shot. As an example, I live in New York. It's very expensive in New York. You can't buy a hot dog for the money you're talking about. You go to other states and it's not expensive at all. Now what it does is puts New York at a disadvantage if the minimum wage is up, companies move out and things, bad things happen. At the same time, people have to be taken care of. But what I'm really going to do on the minimum wage -- but it has to go up.. .. So I would like to raise it to at least $10."

Ben Carson backs raising minimum wage

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/241449-ben-carson-backs-raising-minimum-wage

 

[L.T. Fan]

Really?



Ben Carson backs raising minimum wage

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/241449-ben-carson-backs-raising-minimum-wage

Trump deferred to the states.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Bullshit. Unless you can google and find an article about it, I'm not buying it.

You really are going to keep pushing the idea that finding actual facts to back an argument is somehow a bad thing?

 

[Jiggyfly]

That isn't germane to millennials, it goes across broad spectrum of our population, every age group, economic background, race, All Demographics. It isn't more prevalent in one generation than the next. I know for a fact the same things were said about my generation, and the same things were said about the, me generation and the boomers from the older generations.

It's skewed perspective based on nostalgia and fear. Good article on it from 2012

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamthierer/2012/01/08/why-do-we-always-sell-the-next-generation-short/#764bb1e02d75

Exactly.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Trump deferred to the states.

And what does that have to do with what Forts stated?

 

[Jiggyfly]

Let's get back to the original topic.

Does everyone think young people in america have the same opportunities that there parents or grandparents had?

Can they have a comfortable living without any college or certification?

 

[2233boys]

Then you would debunk the article that was posted as being erroneous? Bernie and his followers would be sad.

Huh

 

[L.T. Fan]

And what does that have to do with what Forts stated?

It has to do with the quote by Trump Forte posted that he was one who advocared raising the minimum wage.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Huh

The article said that the current thought process was that youth was rejecting capitalism. You posted and stated that this ideology was also attributed to your generation but you don't buy into it. If you don't buy into the posted article then you are debunking the hypothesis that youth are moving away from capitalism and it is erroneous. Bernie is an advocate of socialism and anti capitalism. He has a huge youth following so they would be saddened that by your comparison of your generation that there actually isn't a falling away of capitalism. Therefore the article by your analysis isn't correct.

Obviously some sarcasm but that is apparently your thoughts about the authors hypothesis.

 

[Cotton]

You really are going to keep pushing the idea that finding actual facts to back an argument is somehow a bad thing?

Slanted articles do not count as facts.

 

[Cotton]

Let's get back to the original topic.

Does everyone think young people in america have the same opportunities that there parents or grandparents had?

Can they have a comfortable living without any college or certification?

Yes and yes.

 

[skidadl]

Bullshit. Unless you can google and find an article about it, I'm not buying it.

Don't need an article because I know actual young people that actually don't mind working.

And I never said young Americans do the same things they did in the past, way to move those goalpost, my point is that you can't paint an entire generation of people with the same brush and claim they do not want to work.

Because that is simply not true.

And yes you definitely have a narrative, you extrapolated your experience onto a whole generation of young people.

You act like everybody your age would have been gung ho about doing that type of work as well.

Please do explain how one can "act like" something online and how you came to that conclusion.

This generation does not work as hard as generations past. Care to dispute that in some way that makes sense without being retarded? My generation has a long list of its own problems. Work ethic being one as well.