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Again, trying not to get excited, but apparently Randy Gregory is looking really.... REALLY good in camp. Beat Tyron Smith twice in a row.

Jaylon Smith looking good... Tavon Austin looking good... now Gregory looking good. If enough of these wild card gambles end up being hits this team is gonna be quite formidable.
You can't put much stock into these little snippets coming from the media, much like I said you can't put much into these "reports" on Dak struggling or not impressing early in camp.

At the end of the day these people who work for ESPN or the team itself don't know football and they don't have a trained critical eye. Archer, Helman, Watkins, or whoever the "6 second clip" tweeter du jour of the day is, none of them truly know what they're looking at in a real game, let alone practices that are often half speed, half contact, no tackling, etc. Broaddus is the only opinion I give any credence to but we all know he's a bit of a dullard too.

The perfect example is this tweet I saw today about Dorance Armstrong "beating" Tyron Smith in 1 on 1 drills. Smith basically pushed Armstrong about 5-7 yards deep into the backfield, Armstrong kept circling around, damn near making a semi-circle in what I'd imagine was nearly 4 seconds, and these people call that Armstrong beating Smith.

In a real game you can't even rush in that pattern and you damn sure aren't getting to the QB.

Anyway, I'm optimistic about the guys you name but most of it is based on little flashes I saw in the first preseason game, and of course preconceived notions of their talent level. Jaylon looked very smooth and explosive in his movements and Austin ran a very crisp comeback for about a 10 or so yard gain. It's great that Gregory is showing little flashes in camp, certainly better than being invisible, but I'll need to see something in the next few preseason games before I get excited.
 

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I think you absolutely can put stock into who is doing well at camp and who isn’t. Yes, there are always years where guys who are nobodies have good camps, excite Joe Fan, and then go onto have nothing careers, but then again, the best players excel in camp. That’s how they make the team, how they become starters.

Reports of Dorance Armstrong have us rightfully excited that he’s a hit as a pick. Not saying he’s gonna be beating Tyson Smith or his equivalent in games, but you know, Armstrong sure did have a noticeable preseason game to match his practice reports.

Gregory shouldn’t be crowned for beating Smith twice in a row in practice, but he did it, and I think we can say it bodes well without also saying we are penciling him in for 10 sacks.
 

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Gregory shouldn’t be crowned for beating Smith twice in a row in practice, but he did it, and I think we can say it bodes well without also saying we are penciling him in for 10 sacks.
Yeah I was reading about that too. Gregory was basically the star of camp yesterday. It wasn't just one guys opinion either.
 

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Star of the Day: Nearly A Clean Sweep For Gregory
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A new feature on DallasCowboys.com this training camp is to hand out some Cowboys-themed “gold stars” after each padded practice here in Oxnard. Wednesday featured four votes for the same player for the first time this camp.

Rob Phillips: With each practice, Randy Gregory looks more comfortable and more competitive out there. He’s now getting some one-on-one pass rush drill reps, and that’s where you can isolate him and see his skills. He’s so explosive off the line of scrimmage. It’s really something to see. But the thing that keeps impressing me is how he’s developed his upper body and added weight while away from the team. That should help him hold up through the course of the season.

Nick Eatman: If you have any questions who the best and most consistent linemen on this team, all you need to do is watch these 1-on-1 pass-rush drills that involve Zack Martin. Today, in a highly-competitive compete drill that started with Tyron Smith and Dorance Armstrong and then transitioned to La’el Collins and DeMarcus Lawrence. By the time Martin got a turn to block Daniel Ross, it was rather heated as the entire team looked on. Martin made sure no one got close to the quarterback as he overpowered Ross more than once, pushing him back into his teammates to prove just how dominant he can be.

Bryan Broaddus: It doesn’t happen often, but tip of the cap to Randy Gregory getting around Tyron Smith twice in a span of three plays during team period. Smith’s pass set wasn’t poor it was just Gregory’s first step that gave him problems. Once Gregory was able to get to that shoulder, he did the smart thing to dip which kept Smith’s hands off him. With no hitting surface, Smith was never able to slow down Gregory’s rush which resulted in the sacks.

David Helman: In the blink of an eye, Randy Gregory had turned the corner and “downed” Dak Prescott for a sack. It happened so fast that Prescott didn’t even bother to throw the ball. To be perfectly frank, I did a double-take and assumed Gregory had beaten Cam Fleming on the rep. Nope — it was Tyron Smith. If I was still doubting, Gregory confirmed it for me two reps later, when he blew past Smith again and helped Jihad Ward for another sack. I’m trying hard to temper my expectations, but Gregory has been impressive from the moment the Cowboys put him on the field.


Mickey Spagnola: How can we pick anyone else other than Randy Gregory? He was a beast. Didn’t matter if he was going up against Pro Bowl tackle Tyron Smith or his backups. Nor did it matter which side he was rushing from. His knee bend is incredible, especially for a guy who hasn’t played any football in a game since the final game of the 2016 season, Jan. 1, 2017. And at one point toward the end of practice in team, he registered three sacks in three straight plays. Hope we get to see him Saturday night against the Bengals at AT&T Stadium.
 

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I think you absolutely can put stock into who is doing well at camp and who isn’t. Yes, there are always years where guys who are nobodies have good camps, excite Joe Fan, and then go onto have nothing careers, but then again, the best players excel in camp. That’s how they make the team, how they become starters.

Reports of Dorance Armstrong have us rightfully excited that he’s a hit as a pick. Not saying he’s gonna be beating Tyson Smith or his equivalent in games, but you know, Armstrong sure did have a noticeable preseason game to match his practice reports.

Gregory shouldn’t be crowned for beating Smith twice in a row in practice, but he did it, and I think we can say it bodes well without also saying we are penciling him in for 10 sacks.
by the same token, think back to the early reports pouring out of Dak and the offense struggling and the cornerbacks dominating in the first week of camp. Then align that with what you saw in the first game vs San Francisco. The game performance didnt square with the camp reports, they were polar opposites. So, its hard to know exactly how much stock to put in practice reports.

And hell yes, Im excited about both Randy and Dorance. But even the great Tyron Smith is beatable on occasion.
 
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Randy Gregory has his best practice so far as Dak Prescott works on chemistry with his new receivers

By Calvin Watkins Aug 16, 2018 1

OXNARD,​ Calif.​ —​ Wednesday afternoon was​ the day​ defensive​ end Randy​ Gregory emerged and center Travis Frederick went to​​ see the doctor. We also might be getting a clearer understanding of the defensive linemen who could make the 53-man roster.

The Cowboys held their 15th training camp practice of the summer, the 12th in pads, and we have our last practice report before the team breaks camp Friday morning.

1. Gregory emerged with his best effort in practice this summer with a pair of sacks and a crushing move against an offensive lineman in a pass rush/compete drill. From the moment Gregory was reinstated by the NFL after violating the substance abuse policy, the Cowboys have brought him along slowly. He got limited reps with the third team and he did individual drills with defensive line coach Leon Lett.

Gregory got work with the first team, lining up at right defensive end, recording a blindside sack on Dak Prescott by beating La’el Collins, in at left tackle for Tyron Smith. One play later, Gregory had another sack, forcing Prescott to scoot out of the pocket. After the play was over, Gregory ran toward the sideline and raised two fingers in the air.

Before his two sacks, in an extensive pass rush/compete drill, Gregory faced third-team tackle Jacob Campos. No contest. None. Gregory charged him with a bull rush, knocking Campos onto his back for the sack. Gregory also beat tackle Cameron Fleming in the drill.

This is the Gregory the Cowboys will be looking for once the regular season starts Sept. 9 at Carolina.

Gregory isn’t expected to play in Saturday’s second preseason game against the Bengals, but if he continues at his current pace, he should get some reps in the third preseason game Aug. 26 against the Cardinals.

2. Frederick, the starting center, missed Wednesday’s practice because he was getting his neck and shoulder checked out by Dr. Robert Watkins in the Los Angeles area. Frederick, who’s had some stingers, said he’s fine and that he’ll be off for a few days. An MRI confirmed the nerve irritation and no one involved believes the injury to be serious.

Frederick, who has never missed a game as he enters his sixth NFL season, just wanted Dr. Watkins, an expert on these issues, to check out his MRI results.

“It’s good, my coach said I just caught a couple stingers the last couple of days,” he said. “It’s something when you’re working with your neck. It’s something you want to be careful of. I want it to be there was nothing else involved with it so I went to a specialist down in LA, one of the top guys, and he assured me it’s stingers.”

Joe Looney replaced Frederick on the first team and Dustin Stanton moved to the third team.

3. One of Prescott’s biggest goals for this camp was building chemistry with a new receiving corps. Last season, Prescott completed 308 passes to 13 different players. As he enters a new season, seven of those players are gone, including Dez Bryant and Jason Witten, who combined for 169 catches.

Prescott has to break in five new receivers.

Of the returning receivers, only Terrance Williams (53 catches) and Cole Beasley (36) provide some comfortability with Prescott. Williams, however, missed a majority of the offseason workouts recovering from a broken toe. When he practiced in the first two weeks of camp it was mainly with the second team as the Cowboys brought him along slowly.

And with this team entering the late stages of training camp, Prescott says the chemistry is progressing.

“We really click. We’re starting to get it,” Prescott said. “As I said, when we have the changeover that we had and had a lot of new guys come in at receiver and play different positions. With a bunch of different guys, each of which has something different to offer to our receiving corps, it’s all been good. We’re starting to click, starting to hit the deep ball a lot more in some of these last practices than we did early on. But we knew that would be part of it, working out the kinks. We’re all getting comfortable with each other. It’s fun to do it.”

Prescott spoke glowingly of Tavon Austin, who is being asked to play more on the outside. Austin’s speed and quickness allow the Cowboys to place him in different spots in the formation, creating matchup issues. The Cowboys have used Austin and Beasley in bunch formations with a big receiver, or split one wide and put the other in the slot.

“I’d say Tavon for the simple fact, in the other place he was (Rams), I didn’t know he was as good of a receiver as he was and could run routes as well as he does, and catch the ball every single time,” Prescott said. “For me, from that standpoint, he’s not just a gadget guy. … He’s a guy you can put out there, inside, outside and trust he’s going to get open.”

4. The Cowboys’ defensive line starters are developing. Defensive tackle Maliek Collins, who missed the start of training camp recovering from foot surgery, got some reps with the first-team defense during the Wednesday walkthrough. Collins was lined up at the three-technique spot, and Antwaun Woods to zero-technique with the first team. The Cowboys like Woods’ physicality. Jason Garrett said he “jumps out the tape.”

The first-team ends remain DeMarcus Lawrence (left) and Tyrone Crawford (right). The Cowboys moved defensive end Dorance Armstrong to the left side and had Taco Charlton on the right side with a mixture of first-team players such as Sean Lee and Jaylon Smith.

The emergence of Armstrong and Woods is forcing the Cowboys to possibly move away from ends Kony Ealy and Charles Tapper. Ealy signed with the Cowboys as a free agent with a $200,000 signing bonus and a $100,000 roster bonus. He’s scheduled to make a base salary of $800,000.

Tapper, a 2014 fourth-round pick, is signed through 2019. Cutting either or both players won’t hurt the team cap-wise. If anything, it would reward other players who have stepped up.

Armstrong, a fourth-round pick from Kansas, displayed some skills during pass rush/compete drills. In three attempts, he beat Tyron Smith once, and even tried a spin move against the talented left tackle but couldn’t get a sack. But Armstrong showed some finesse and power during his three attempts against Smith. Most defensive ends beating perhaps the league’s best left tackle one out every three snaps would be very pleased with the outcome.

The Cowboys could have 10 defensive linemen on the roster and that doesn’t include David Irving, who is serving a four-game suspension (substance-abuse policy). Defensive tackles Datone Jones and Jihad Ward were getting first-team reps during camp. Barring a sudden decline in play Saturday, both should make the team.

5. The Cowboys got a scare during the middle of practice when first-round pick Leighton Vander Esch suffered a minor groin injury diving for a pass near the sideline. Vander Esch took his time getting up before he left the practice field.

Before Vander Esch went down, Austin slowed up with tightness in his hamstring. It was so concerning that Austin stopped and talked to Jerry Jones before leaving the field. Team officials, like with Vander Esch, don’t believe the injury to be serious.

Beasley said he expects to be out another week with a sore groin. He said he would like to play in the third preseason game.

Safety Jeff Heath was limited in practice with a left ankle sprain.

6. Sean Lee used to have one-on-one battles with former running back DeMarco Murray. The two would bump heads in practices. Now Lee has turned his attention to Ezekiel Elliott. When Elliott gets the ball, Lee is somewhere near to either knock him down or try to strip him. In red-zone drills, Lee lines up opposite of Elliott and sometimes the linebacker is put on skates by a juke move. After one run play where Elliott picked up a good chunk of yards, Lee came up from behind and knocked him down trying to take the ball away. While Elliott isn’t playing in the first two preseason games, he’s getting a bit of contact in practices.

7. The Cowboys might keep six or seven wide receivers. If they keep seven, Lance Lenoir Jr. might be that guy, but he did muff a punt return Wednesday. Lenoir runs good routes, but consistency is the key with him. Fellow receivers Noah Brown and Deonte Thompson are on the bubble as they’re trying to overcome injuries. The Cowboys might cut Brown, a 2017 seventh-round selection, and see if he slips him through waivers so they can sign him to the practice squad. Time is running out on Brown and Thompson to make this squad with two weeks of practices left before the Sept. 1 cuts.

If you have any doubts about rookie receiver Michael Gallup, look no further than the deep pass he caught down the sideline from Cooper Rush for a touchdown. Gallup looks smooth running routes and is improving as a route-runner.
 

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Cowboys C Travis Frederick receives positive news after neck examination, will likely miss next preseason game


By Jon Machota , Staff Writer Contact Jon Machota on Twitter: @jonmachota

Editor's note: This story has been updated throughout the day.

OXNARD, Calif. -- Travis Frederick did not practice Wednesday. The Pro Bowl center spent the morning traveling to Los Angeles to see a specialist about his neck.

Stingers had been affecting Frederick in recent practices, so he felt it was time to get the issue looked at more closely. He received positive news and was back in time to attend the afternoon practice, although he did not participate.

"When you're working with your neck that's something you want to be careful of," Frederick said. "I wanted to be sure that there was nothing else involved, so I went and saw the specialist down in L.A., one of the top guys, and he assured me it's stingers. Everything is good other than the stingers."

The only remedy is rest. Frederick is not expected to practice Thursday, the Cowboys' last one in California. It's unlikely he'll play in Saturday's preseason game against the Cincinnati Bengals at AT&T Stadium.

Frederick said he experienced a stinger a couple of years ago but recently had several over the course of two days. He said sometimes it's a shooting pain and other times a burning sensation.

"It's a quick thing," Frederick said. "But it causes you a little bit of strength loss as well, so you want to make sure that you're careful."

Frederick was examined by Dr. Robert Watkins III, who is a board-certified orthopedic spine surgeon and co-director of the Marina Spine Clinic in Marina Del Rey, Calif.

Joe Looney worked at center with the first-team offense Wednesday. Pro Bowl right guard Zack Martin, who has received some snaps at center during camp for emergency purposes, is not yet scheduled to receive more reps there.

The Cowboys already lost depth in the interior of the offensive line when backup guard Marcus Martin was placed on season-ending injured reserve after tearing a ligament in his big right toe during last week's preseason opener at San Francisco.
 

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by the same token, think back to the early reports pouring out of Dak and the offense struggling and the cornerbacks dominating in the first week of camp. Then align that with what you saw in the first game vs San Francisco. The game performance didnt square with the camp reports, they were polar opposites. So, its hard to know exactly how much stock to put in practice reports.

And hell yes, Im excited about both Randy and Dorance. But even the great Tyron Smith is beatable on occasion.
This is the point I'm trying to make.

We're getting opinions from untrained eyes based on what, 15 practices? When there are an untold number of variables at play that make it very different from evaluating what happens in games (half speed, situational, no tackling, no contact, very limited sample size, etc.)?

Eventually you become a dog chasing cars if you put too much stock into these so-called "reports".

I'm very confident in Smith, Armstrong and Austin because they flashed in limited snaps to backup the buzz they're getting in camp, along with the fact that they all have an exciting baseline level of talent relative to the roles we expect them to play. Same goes for Gregory in terms of the talent level, now I'm just hoping to see a few flashes over these next 2-3 games.
 

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This is the point I'm trying to make.

We're getting opinions from untrained eyes based on what, 15 practices? When there are an untold number of variables at play that make it very different from evaluating what happens in games (half speed, situational, no tackling, no contact, very limited sample size, etc.)?

Eventually you become a dog chasing cars if you put too much stock into these so-called "reports".

I'm very confident in Smith, Armstrong and Austin because they flashed in limited snaps to backup the buzz they're getting in camp, along with the fact that they all have an exciting baseline level of talent relative to the roles we expect them to play. Same goes for Gregory in terms of the talent level, now I'm just hoping to see a few flashes over these next 2-3 games.
And I think sometimes, as fans, we're so starved for action, these writers love to stoke that hunger. So, what do they do to entice us? They embellish, they hype. And we salivate. It's the same every year.
 

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And I think sometimes, as fans, we're so starved for action, these writers love to stoke that hunger. So, what do they do to entice us? They embellish, they hype. And we salivate. It's the same every year.
With Gregory at least I don't think anyone would have been surprised if he had a slow start or was out of shape. The guy has been sitting out of football for over a year now. The fact that he is in great shape and doing well in practice should still be something to be excited about. It doesn't mean he is going to be a dominant force this year but it at least lets us all know he hasn't fallen off a cliff in terms of ability.
 

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This is the point I'm trying to make.

We're getting opinions from untrained eyes based on what, 15 practices? When there are an untold number of variables at play that make it very different from evaluating what happens in games (half speed, situational, no tackling, no contact, very limited sample size, etc.)?

Eventually you become a dog chasing cars if you put too much stock into these so-called "reports".
Thank you. David Moore says Tyron Smith is moving the best he has in three years, he's back to his old healthy dominant self, but a third round rookie and a guy on his couch for two years are whipping him? Guess we have not one but two Lawrence Taylors on our team.

Sorry, not buying it. The hype seems even bigger than usual this year.

Or maybe the team is that talented and it's time for sky-high expectations, not just staying media relevant.
 

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With Gregory at least I don't think anyone would have been surprised if he had a slow start or was out of shape. The guy has been sitting out of football for over a year now. The fact that he is in great shape and doing well in practice should still be something to be excited about. It doesn't mean he is going to be a dominant force this year but it at least lets us all know he hasn't fallen off a cliff in terms of ability.
it does say something for Gregory that he has done a great deal of work to make it back this far. I think he has always possessed great ability, and now that his demons look to be in check and under control, he can hopefully realize his limitless potential.
 

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Thank you. David Moore says Tyron Smith is moving the best he has in three years, he's back to his old healthy dominant self, but a third round rookie and a guy on his couch for two years are whipping him? Guess we have not one but two Lawrence Taylors on our team.

Sorry, not buying it. The hype seems even bigger than usual this year.

Or maybe the team is that talented and it's time for sky-high expectations, not just staying media relevant.
Someone is a pessimist.
 

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Thank you. David Moore says Tyron Smith is moving the best he has in three years, he's back to his old healthy dominant self, but a third round rookie and a guy on his couch for two years are whipping him? Guess we have not one but two Lawrence Taylors on our team.

Sorry, not buying it. The hype seems even bigger than usual this year.

Or maybe the team is that talented and it's time for sky-high expectations, not just staying media relevant.
That's the thing, every O-lineman gets beat sometimes. Especially during practice when you have things like 1 on 1's. But when those wins come against Smith it's still impressive. Doesn't mean they would abuse Smith in a real life game. But I think Smith gets beat so rarely in practice that it's at least noticeable when he gets beat so you take the name down of the guy who is able to actually do it. I mean it's great Gregory beats him twice in three plays in practice. But that's a small sampling of the entire practice.
 

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it does say something for Gregory that he has done a great deal of work to make it back this far. I think he has always possessed great ability, and now that his demons look to be in check and under control, he can hopefully realize his limitless potential.
Yeah mostly I was afraid of what condition he would be after taking all that time off. Not that he would have gotten fat. But I think he has to work really hard to maintain 250 pounds on his body. I was a little afraid he'd come in at 225 pounds and unrefined all over again. The fact that he is no only beating guys with speed but power as well tells me the reports of him working his ass off this entire time is accurate. I hope Gregory can be elite, he has the potential but I'd be thrilled if he could just be somewhat of a third down rusher for us. Someone you know can run as fast as any QB in the NFL (Well except maybe Jackson).
 

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Guys, the padded sessions of TC are done. Can y’all fathom how quick that went?
 

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Nick Eatman: If you have any questions who the best and most consistent linemen on this team, all you need to do is watch these 1-on-1 pass-rush drills that involve Zack Martin. Today, in a highly-competitive compete drill that started with Tyron Smith and Dorance Armstrong and then transitioned to La’el Collins and DeMarcus Lawrence. By the time Martin got a turn to block Daniel Ross, it was rather heated as the entire team looked on. Martin made sure no one got close to the quarterback as he overpowered Ross more than once, pushing him back into his teammates to prove just how dominant he can be.
Seriously???
He's compairing working vs Lawrence and Armstrong with Ross??? Daniel "won't even make it to final cuts" Ross???
 

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