The Outrage Thread

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As opposed to what? When are they not getting roasted? Might as well stick to your guns if they're going to fuck with you anyway.
Reminds me of what a guy (can't remember his name) said who was running for governor years ago, he said something to the effect :

"when a man stands in the middle, he tends to get run over by both sides"

I like that quote

He also said a woman should lie back and enjoy it while getting raped and I think this one did him in
 

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Reminds me of what a guy (can't remember his name) said who was running for governor years ago, he said something to the effect :

"when a man stands in the middle, he tends to get run over by both sides"

I like that quote

He also said a woman should lie back and enjoy it while getting raped and I think this one did him in

Clayton Williams. Had to look it up. Thought it was in the early 80s but it was 1990.
 

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Pondering the whole statue thing has me wondering:

Who the fuck has time to find these things and get everyone upset about them?

Where does this stuff originate from?

I'm busy as hell with work and don't understand how folks have the time and energy to pursue such seemingly mundane issues
 

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Pondering the whole statue thing has me wondering:

Who the fuck has time to find these things and get everyone upset about them?

Where does this stuff originate from?

I'm busy as hell with work and don't understand how folks have the time and energy to pursue such seemingly mundane issues
Dave Burge (aka @iowahawkblog) had a great take on this the other day- he said(paraphrased) "not content on having won the culture war they are now roaming the battlefield shooting the survivors"
 

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Dave Burge (aka @iowahawkblog) had a great take on this the other day- he said(paraphrased) "not content on having won the culture war they are now roaming the battlefield shooting the survivors"
:lol :lol :lol

thats good

I wish someone would trace back how this gets started. I suppose someone one found a statue of a confederate soldier and got pissed and started tweeting or something

I've lived in Dallas my whole life and never seen whatever statue they removed a while back and apparently there's another batch they're about to remove IIRC
 
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Come NoDak, let me have It!

Actually, I prefer you let my thoughts have it but I can handle both, where did I go wrong in your eyes?
I feel saying it's ok to tear down one statue, but not an other is wrong. Who is going to make the arbitrary line to decide where it stops?

Either it's ok to tear down them all if it offends you in some way, or it's not ok to tear down any. It's impossible to say where one is ok and another is not. Nobody will ever be in agreement. And once we start looking the other way when they start tearing them down, we are fooling ourselves if we think they will stop just there.

It's no different than allowing small parts of our rights to be stripped away. Once we allow that, they will never be happy and only want more. And one day we will wake up and find that we've allowed it to go too far, and it will be very hard if not impossible to go back.
 

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Dave Burge (aka @iowahawkblog) had a great take on this the other day- he said(paraphrased) "not content on having won the culture war they are now roaming the battlefield shooting the survivors"
I think they might have just about exhausted shooting all the survivors and are circling back to re-shoot the dead
 

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I feel saying it's ok to tear down one statue, but not an other is wrong. Who is going to make the arbitrary line to decide where it stops?

Either it's ok to tear down them all if it offends you in some way, or it's not ok to tear down any. It's impossible to say where one is ok and another is not. Nobody will ever be in agreement. And once we start looking the other way when they start tearing them down, we are fooling ourselves if we think they will stop just there.

It's no different than allowing small parts of our rights to be stripped away. Once we allow that, they will never be happy and only want more. And one day we will wake up and find that we've allowed it to go too far, and it will be very hard if not impossible to go back.
I feel you but I have a hard time justifying devoting time and attention toward ensuring some statue of a confederate (or every other random statue littered across the country) I've never heard of doesnt get removed and if I don't, I'm paving the road to having all my rights trampled.

I'd like to know who "they" are so I can actively oppose them if necessary but it just feels like a nebulous ghost where this shit picks up steam and the next thing you know, statue x, y & z gotta come down and I don't know who was responsible making this happen.

To me, statues are more government nonsense that I'd prefer time and money not be devoted to. I want resources allocated to the most important things like ideas, truth, infrastructure, the military, schools (I guess), etc, etc

Is it that radical to think government shouldn't be wasting time praising themselves with monuments, etc in the first place and they are therefore not worth fighting for?

Cant we find better things or issues to go to war over?

The discussion has the same tenor as ones had with evangelicals who are deathly afraid of teaching birth control to their kids because they act like if they're taught BC, they'll immediately go from being virgins to fucking like rabbits.

Both arguments seem extreme but having read a lot about WW2 and the rise of the nazi party I always wondered how they were able to pull off what they did and get the masses on board. Was it insidious things like removing statues that were ignored and then something else and then something else? I think it was a lot of little things and a crushed economy post WW1 plus resentment for that loss and the treaty of Versailles but it was probably a lot of subtle things too.

As it relates to what we're going through now, what concerns me the most is the air of censorship floating in the air across the entire country, that concerns me FAR more than any statue because once people are afraid to speak and group think takes hold, all manner of nonsense and worse can and will follow
 

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You're concerned the most about censorship, yet don't give a damn about statues being torn down that a certain group doesn't agree with...

Just what in the hell do you think that is?
 

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You're going to have to draw a line eventually, it's up to you to figure out where that is. The Vietnam Memorial? The World War 2 Memorial? Because they will eventually come for them
 

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You're going to have to draw a line eventually, it's up to you to figure out where that is. The Vietnam Memorial? The World War 2 Memorial? Because they will eventually come for them
Right. And by the time you decide to speak up then, it's too late. With your silence, you've already shown you were ok with it.
 

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You're concerned the most about censorship, yet don't give a damn about statues being torn down that a certain group doesn't agree with...

Just what in the hell do you think that is?
I dont know, it seems different to me.

Its a statue, not my opinion or yours or my voice or yours and like I've said, I don't think tax dollars and land should have been devoted to having them erected in the first place. I'd agree that vigilante groups shouldn't be allowed to randomly tear down statues or other things they dont like or approve of, so maybe there needs to be a process of debate and a vote and if the people of that area vote to have them removed, then get rid of them. Is that reasonable?

Let's say I'm wrong not to care (very well could be) and these statues shouldn't be torn down.

What do you think I should do about it?

What are you doing about it?
 

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You're going to have to draw a line eventually, it's up to you to figure out where that is. The Vietnam Memorial? The World War 2 Memorial? Because they will eventually come for them
I actually drew the line using those very examples in my previous post
 
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