The Great Police Work Thread

[jeebs]

He's swinging a "fake" gun.

What should the officer think?

You dont just automatically kill people and figure shit out later. The fear that we let these bitches behind badges keeps is insane.

 

[Jiggyfly]

CBS/APSeptember 25, 2014, 8:49 AM
​S.C. trooper charged in shooting of unarmed man

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COLUMBIA, S.C. - A former state trooper faces a felony charge in the shooting of an unarmed man during a traffic stop in Columbia earlier this month.

The State Law Enforcement Division said in a news release that 31-year-old Sean Groubert was charged Wednesday with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature.

He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted.

Authorities say Groubert stopped the victim for a seatbelt violation on Sept. 4. Levar Jones, 35, got out of his car, and investigators say the trooper shot him as he reached back into his vehicle.

Prosecutors released video of the traffic stop that shows the trooper pulling up behind Jones, who had stopped at a Columbia gas station. Groubert asked Jones - who had already steppe dout of his car - for his license, then fired shots as Jones reaches back into his vehicle.

Jones was hit by one bullet in the hip. He screamed, "What did I do? . . . I just got my license, you said get my license."

Groubert said he shot the man because he was reaching back into his car.

Jones is recovering at home after being hospitalized for the injury.

CBS affiliate WLTX reports that South Carolina Department of Public Safety Director Leroy Smith fired Groubert Sept. 19 after observing the video and reviewing a report from the State Law Enforcement Division.

In dismissing Groubert, Smith called the facts of the case "disturbing."

The charges filed Wednesday were brought by the Fifth Circuit Solicitor's office, which also reviewed SLED's findings.

After seeing the video in court, Groubert's attorney, former Fifth Circuit Solicitor Barney Geise, says that his client is not guilty and is looking forward to his day in court, reports WLTX.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

CBS/APSeptember 25, 2014, 8:49 AM
​S.C. trooper charged in shooting of unarmed man

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COLUMBIA, S.C. - A former state trooper faces a felony charge in the shooting of an unarmed man during a traffic stop in Columbia earlier this month.

The State Law Enforcement Division said in a news release that 31-year-old Sean Groubert was charged Wednesday with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature.

He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted.

Authorities say Groubert stopped the victim for a seatbelt violation on Sept. 4. Levar Jones, 35, got out of his car, and investigators say the trooper shot him as he reached back into his vehicle.

Prosecutors released video of the traffic stop that shows the trooper pulling up behind Jones, who had stopped at a Columbia gas station. Groubert asked Jones - who had already steppe dout of his car - for his license, then fired shots as Jones reaches back into his vehicle.

Jones was hit by one bullet in the hip. He screamed, "What did I do? . . . I just got my license, you said get my license."

Groubert said he shot the man because he was reaching back into his car.

Jones is recovering at home after being hospitalized for the injury.

CBS affiliate WLTX reports that South Carolina Department of Public Safety Director Leroy Smith fired Groubert Sept. 19 after observing the video and reviewing a report from the State Law Enforcement Division.

In dismissing Groubert, Smith called the facts of the case "disturbing."

The charges filed Wednesday were brought by the Fifth Circuit Solicitor's office, which also reviewed SLED's findings.

After seeing the video in court, Groubert's attorney, former Fifth Circuit Solicitor Barney Geise, says that his client is not guilty and is looking forward to his day in court, reports WLTX.

I hope this motherfucker goes to prison for a long time. Absolutely zero justification for this shooting. None. Anyone who comes on here and tries to defend/justify it is a goddamn moron.

 

[Cotton]

You dont just automatically kill people and figure shit out later. The fear that we let these bitches behind badges keeps is insane.

If they are holding and swinging around what looks like a gun, I can understand the idea of shoot first, ask questions later. Say it were a gun, and the cop tried to use verbal judo to talk him, and while he was talking the dude shoots the cop? Criminals don't have scruples at all. So, I can see their trepidation.

 

[Cotton]

I hope this motherfucker goes to prison for a long time. Absolutely zero justification for this shooting. None. Anyone who comes on here and tries to defend/justify it is a goddamn moron.

I agree with you, but it says in the article that he is being charged with a felony and could face up to 20 years in prison, so it sounds like they are getting it right in this one... pending the prosecution of course.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

I agree with you, but it says in the article that he is being charged with a felony and could face up to 20 years in prison, so it sounds like they are getting it right in this one... pending the prosecution of course.

Definitely pending prosecution. I have serious doubts that he does much time at all.

There are way, way too many cops on the street that are just like this fuckhead and it is becoming increasingly obvious with cameras everywhere now to expose these pieces of shit.

 

[Cotton]

Definitely pending prosecution. I have serious doubts that he does much time at all.

There are way, way too many cops on the street that are just like this fuckhead and it is becoming increasingly obvious with cameras everywhere now to expose these pieces of shit.

More cameras is definitely part of the answer. On their lapels and dashboards.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

More cameras is definitely part of the answer. On their lapels and dashboards.

I can't wait. It will at least curb some of the thug behavior that is regularly exhibited by police all over the country every day, and it will help in getting them prosecuted for some of this type of stuff.

Unfortunately it won't help the people who are shot and killed by these trigger happy cops.

 

[Cotton]

I can't wait. It will at least curb some of the thug behavior that is regularly exhibited by police all over the country every day, and it will help in getting them prosecuted for some of this type of stuff.

Unfortunately it won't help the people who are shot and killed by these trigger happy cops.

It will lessen the frequency of rogue cops shooting people unjustifiably, though.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

It will lessen the frequency of rogue cops shooting people unjustifiably, though.

Will it? This guy had a camera and it sure didn't stop him.

 

[Cotton]

Will it? This guy had a camera and it sure didn't stop him.

How many times have you seen a cop with a dashcam shoot a guy in cold blood, though? It is very rare, so yeah, I do think it will decrease stupid shit like this.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

How many times have you seen a cop with a dashcam shoot a guy in cold blood, though? It is very rare, so yeah, I do think it will decrease stupid shit like this.

I don't know that it helps in a case like this one. This guy knew he had a camera rolling but was so damn jumpy and ready to pull the trigger that he didn't even think about it. He shot the guy. After he asked him to produce his license and the guy tried to comply.

And I don't think this was a case of shooting the guy "in cold blood", I just think it was handled terribly by a cop that clearly shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun.

I agree that it will curb a lot bullshit attitude, intimidation, and bullying, such as the Marcus Jeter case in NJ where they lost their damn minds and were totally out of control. They were prepared to send that guy to prison for nothing to cover their own asses. That is the kind of stuff that should be alleviated quite a bit by videoing every single interaction the cops have with the public.

 

[jeebs]

If they are holding and swinging around what looks like a gun, I can understand the idea of shoot first, ask questions later. Say it were a gun, and the cop tried to use verbal judo to talk him, and while he was talking the dude shoots the cop? Criminals don't have scruples at all. So, I can see their trepidation.

Fuck that, at no point should a cop be walking around with a shoot first ask questions later approach, unless it is towards me killing the son of a bitch. Fuckers are a threat.

 

[jeebs]

I don't know that it helps in a case like this one. This guy knew he had a camera rolling but was so damn jumpy and ready to pull the trigger that he didn't even think about it. He shot the guy. After he asked him to produce his license and the guy tried to comply.

And I don't think this was a case of shooting the guy "in cold blood", I just think it was handled terribly by a cop that clearly shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun.

I agree that it will curb a lot bullshit attitude, intimidation, and bullying, such as the Marcus Jeter case in NJ where they lost their damn minds and were totally out of control. They were prepared to send that guy to prison for nothing to cover their own asses. That is the kind of stuff that should be alleviated quite a bit by videoing every single interaction the cops have with the public.

But he needed to go home to his family. How often have you hear a cop say "I dont care, at least I am going home to my family".

Fuck, iamtdg thinks a cop should be allowed to kill anyone who startles him, for startling him... I mean it is not his fault, he was scared, he should be allowed to murder people.

 

[Cotton]

I don't know that it helps in a case like this one. This guy knew he had a camera rolling but was so damn jumpy and ready to pull the trigger that he didn't even think about it. He shot the guy. After he asked him to produce his license and the guy tried to comply.

And I don't think this was a case of shooting the guy "in cold blood", I just think it was handled terribly by a cop that clearly shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun.

I agree that it will curb a lot bullshit attitude, intimidation, and bullying, such as the Marcus Jeter case in NJ where they lost their damn minds and were totally out of control. They were prepared to send that guy to prison for nothing to cover their own asses. That is the kind of stuff that should be alleviated quite a bit by videoing every single interaction the cops have with the public.

As long as he is prosecuted like a citizen and not a cop, I don't agree that having more cameras won't curb even shit like this.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

But he needed to go home to his family. How often have you hear a cop say "I dont care, at least I am going home to my family".

Fuck, iamtdg thinks a cop should be allowed to kill anyone who startles him, for startling him... I mean it is not his fault, he was scared, he should be allowed to murder people.

It's a problem. Cops walk around scared/with attitude while carrying guns that they are allowed to use. Formula for disaster.

 

[Cotton]

Fuck that, at no point should a cop be walking around with a shoot first ask questions later approach, unless it is towards me killing the son of a bitch. Fuckers are a threat.

If I were a cop, and you were a citizen and had a gun, and you wouldn't put it down when I told you to, then swung it forward I would shoot you. And be justified in doing so.

I rewatched the video and he swung the "gun" forward right before he was shot. It looked like he might be raising the gun up. And, since bullets, you know, travel really fast and stuff, there wasn't a lot of time for the cop to process it, so I'm now on the fence as to whether it was justified.

 

[Cotton]

But he needed to go home to his family. How often have you hear a cop say "I dont care, at least I am going home to my family".

Fuck, iamtdg thinks a cop should be allowed to kill anyone who startles him, for startling him... I mean it is not his fault, he was scared, he should be allowed to murder people.

Listen, at least you and I have civilized debates about this shit. Don't fucking put words in my mouth, dickface.

 

[Cotton]

It's a problem. Cops walk around scared/with attitude while carrying guns that they are allowed to use. Formula for disaster.

Very few do, let's not paint with a big brush.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

As long as he is prosecuted like a citizen and not a cop, I don't agree that having more cameras won't curb even shit like this.

It might, and I hope it does. But having a camera rolling sure as hell didn't make any difference in this case. Jittery cop pulled the trigger anyway without seeing any sort of weapon or aggressive actions.