Russia Invades Ukraine

[P_T]

Jesus.

OK, so I tried to find this video somewhere else so that I could hear the audio better, I could not find it anywhere... So, I decided to check the source Disclose.tv, and it appears to be a conspiracy site.

* This is not the first time that I have found that “Libs of TikTok” have posted misleading or erroneous material.

 

[P_T]

It now looks like zelinski has run to the EU to rescue his bacon from the fire... Good luck with that.

 

[Bipo]

 

[Cujo]

Jesus.

They've got a side deal.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

at anyone who thought even for a second that Zelenskyy was going to get any sort of a deal with the US. He could have offered to sign over every RE reserve they could ever mine but Trump will never stand in Putin's way.

EVER.

 

[Smitty]

Jesus.

Good, let the UK do the heavy lifting for once.

 

[Smitty]

at anyone who thought even for a second that Zelenskyy was going to get any sort of a deal with the US. He could have offered to sign over every RE reserve they could ever mine but Trump will never stand in Putin's way.

EVER.

Putin hasn't done anything to us that we haven't done to them.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Putin hasn't done anything to us that we haven't done to them.

Exactly.

The Soviets dominated eastern Europe for almost 50 years and nobody suggested we go to war over it. But now Ukraine is supposed to be a red line? Why?

The blind hatred of Russia is a cold war era mentality that is 30 years outdated. Except the left never hated the Soviet Union this much back when they were an actual blatant threat to the west.

But now they're villains, and we're supposed to conveniently ignore the West's antagonism? As if we wouldn't be livid if Russia used it's influence to park on our doorstep in Canada or Mexico?

And the fact that Putin is a dictator is supposed to be persuasive? As if we don't have friendly relations with dictators like in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan or elsewhere.

And in case anyone hasn't noticed, some of Europe isn't exactly a shining beacon of freedom and democracy right now.

Peace is the only answer. This isn't 1938. It's just not.

So if Ukraine wants peace it's pretty clear Russia is willing.

But they apparently don't.

Fine. Go forward without American help, because there's no benefit to the US to continue.

I'm not willing to pay my hard earned tax money for this, and many Americans feel the same. Especially since it seems very likely that much of the billions of dollars are funding the bank accounts of corrupt politicians both here and in Ukraine.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But now they're villains, and we're supposed to conveniently ignore the West's antagonism? As if we wouldn't be livid if Russia used it's influence to park on our doorstep in Canada or Mexico?

I don't know why people ignore or dismiss this. We totally went back on our promise to not advance NATO eastward after the wall fell. We blatantly lied about that and other things to the Russians. They have a history of being invaded and I don't totally blame them for being a little paranoid about it. If the CCP were setting up shop in northern Mexico we'd be pissed, and rightfully so.

And the standard Irv disclaimer, none of this means Putin is a good guy. He's a former KGB colonel so you know he's a thug. But that doesn't change what I said above.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Why would Trump start negotiating with Russia without any participation from Ukraine? Because it was all a sham.

if Trump doesn’t want the US involved with Ukraine any more than he should’ve never claimed he was going to make peace over there, but he campaigned on shit he either never intended to do (Ukraine) or had no earthly idea how to do it (rein in inflation) and too many of you fell for it.

 

[roughneck266]

Good grief. He tried to get a peace deal done. Do you want us to send troops there? I don't. The only other method to do it is by brokering a peace deal between two assholes. I get that you hate the guy, but at least be reasonable.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

I don't know why people ignore or dismiss this. We totally went back on our promise to not advance NATO eastward after the wall fell. We blatantly lied about that and other things to the Russians. They have a history of being invaded and I don't totally blame them for being a little paranoid about it. If the CCP were setting up shop in northern Mexico we'd be pissed, and rightfully so.

And the standard Irv disclaimer, none of this means Putin is a good guy. He's a former KGB colonel so you know he's a thug. But that doesn't change what I said above.

Have you ever considered the possibility that he didn’t want his neighbors to join NATO because he wanted to be able to invade them with the reassurance that they wouldn’t be protected by Article 5?
And the countries that did join didn’t do it so they hat a spot around the ballroom punch bowl or a cool membership card. They wanted into NATO because they feared they would be invaded like Ukraine eventually was. And it’s not like Ukraine had nuclear weapons, the US disarmed them a long time ago.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Good grief. He tried to get a peace deal done. Do you want us to send troops there? I don't. The only other method to do it is by brokering a peace deal between two assholes. I get that you hate the guy, but at least be reasonable.

I don’t want to send troops there, not one. But the bottom line is that Trump is too scared or unwilling to stand up to Putin in any way shape or form. Mr. Tough Guy my ass.

 

[roughneck266]

I don’t want to send troops there, not one. But the bottom line is that Trump is too scared or unwilling to stand up to Putin in any way shape or form. Mr. Tough Guy my ass.

SO my question is, how do you propose he do that other than to try and broker a peace deal. Putin has already said he is willing to negotiate a deal, the one that hasn't done his part is the midget. Trump, has already said he wants to. Midget was supposed to sign the deal shake hands and go home, but decided he wanted to try and get something else with the media there.
Honestly, if they aren't going to negotiate, I think we have no choice but to leave NATO, before one of these idiots that are promising to send troops invokes article 5 and drags us into it weather we like it or not.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don’t want to send troops there, not one. But the bottom line is that Trump is too scared or unwilling to stand up to Putin in any way shape or form. Mr. Tough Guy my ass.

How many more billions of our tax dollars should we spend there, Irv? When does this end? Does it ever?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Exactly.

The Soviets dominated eastern Europe for almost 50 years and nobody suggested we go to war over it. But now Ukraine is supposed to be a red line? Why?

The blind hatred of Russia is a cold war era mentality that is 30 years outdated. Except the left never hated the Soviet Union this much back when they were an actual blatant threat to the west.

But now they're villains, and we're supposed to conveniently ignore the West's antagonism? As if we wouldn't be livid if Russia used it's influence to park on our doorstep in Canada or Mexico?

And the fact that Putin is a dictator is supposed to be persuasive? As if we don't have friendly relations with dictators like in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan or elsewhere.

And in case anyone hasn't noticed, some of Europe isn't exactly a shining beacon of freedom and democracy right now.

Peace is the only answer. This isn't 1938. It's just not.

So if Ukraine wants peace it's pretty clear Russia is willing.

But they apparently don't.

Fine. Go forward without American help, because there's no benefit to the US to continue.

I'm not willing to pay my hard earned tax money for this, and many Americans feel the same. Especially since it seems very likely that much of the billions of dollars are funding the bank accounts of corrupt politicians both here and in Ukraine.

I appreciate that not supporting Ukrain financially gets interpreted as supporting Russia.

Why is it not ok to just say, we aren't going to support either side. We want to help bring about peace but neither Ukraine or Russia "winning" does anything for us. So why is it that Ukraine gets this special position of, if we don't support them we support the other guy.

I want to financially support neither. Would love to bring about peace because the war is dumb as hell. But beyond that I want out.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Why is it not ok to just say, we aren't going to support either side. We want to help bring about peace but neither Ukraine or Russia "winning" does anything for us. So why is it that Ukraine gets this special position of, if we don't support them we support the other guy.

Because that's what the Left media narrative is. That's the only reason.

As to why the Left has such a special love for Ukraine, that's a more complicated question that probably goes back to the CIA engineering regime change there in 2014, why Hunter and Joe were getting rich there off fake jobs for gas companies, etc.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Because that's what the Left media narrative is. That's the only reason.

As to why the Left has such a special love for Ukraine, that's a more complicated question that probably goes back to the CIA engineering regime change there in 2014, why Hunter and Joe were getting rich there off fake jobs for gas companies, etc.

War is money, hell plenty on the right love it for similar reasons. The left loves supporting Ukraine because of money and because they have been trying to sell anyone they don't like as a Russian asset. So it fits their narrative.

 

[roughneck266]

War is money, hell plenty on the right love it for similar reasons. The left loves supporting Ukraine because of money and because they have been trying to sell anyone they don't like as a Russian asset. So it fits their narrative.

Precisely. They need to find a new grift. This one has been found out.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

War is money, hell plenty on the right love it for similar reasons. The left loves supporting Ukraine because of money and because they have been trying to sell anyone they don't like as a Russian asset. So it fits their narrative.

Yes, but it goes beyond just, say, selling them arms. That has been a deeply corrupt place for a long time, as all the surveys show.

Which makes it more of a joke that they like to sell it as some shining beacon of Democracy.