President Trump Thread (Part 2)

[Chocolate Lab]

Do you follow this account? Pretty incredible.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I think it is wild how republicans love tariffs now.

Next thing you know they'll be pro choice.

I've been Republican (I'm not anymore) and pro choice most of my life.

It's almost like people have independent thoughts.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Stuff like Women's History Month, Hispanic Heritage Month, etc. have been around for decades.

All those monthly observances were already in place in the early 90s when I joined the.

But I know the average citizen will just assume that Obama and the Libs forced this on the military within the past 10 years.

I don't think that's the point at all. Many people have rolled their eyes at all that since it's inception.

 

[1bigfan13]

I don't think that's the point at all. Many people have rolled their eyes at all that since it's inception.

You really think people were rolling their eyes about this in the 80s and 90s?

Let me enlighten you what the typical "identity" observance looks like in military circles.

Usually a small group of individuals are appointed or volunteer as project managers for that particular month's observance. Being involved in in this is an easy bullet or two for annual evaluations, so most people are eager to work on these projects to help with their promotions.

The observance itself is usually pretty much nothing but posters hung around organizations, highlighting interesting facts and contributions to America and the military. And they typically designate one day of the month to have a special service that usually lasts no more than an hour....followed by a special meal of some sort.

That's all there is to it. Aside from the members on the committee, you're talking about maybe 2-3 hours a month that military members are "inundated" with special observances. And oh by the way, none of the observances are mandatory. They are completely voluntary to attend.

I think those outside military circles thinks this stuff is being jammed down peoples throats 30 days at a time, and that's simply not true.

 

[Genghis Khan]

You really think people were rolling their eyes about this in the 80s and 90s?

Yes. I know, because I'm one of them and my friends have also.

And there are plenty of people who saw back then that it could lead to the sort of things we see today, where there's a segment of the populace that grew up with this stuff and have now been indoctrinated into the belief that your immutable characteristics are more important than the content of your character.

It's a bad road to be on and I'm glad we've finally begun steps to correct it.

Edit: I'm not talking specifically about the military just generally.

 

[NoDak]

And oh by the way, none of the observances are mandatory. They are completely voluntary to attend.

Oh, absolutely. There are a lot of things in the military that are completely voluntary.

Of course, if you choose not to go, which is TOTALLY your right, we are going to need people to police the area. People to mow. People to paint. People to pick up trash. People to empty and inventory the connexes. Etc...

But, it's strictly volunteer.

 

[1bigfan13]

Oh, absolutely. There are a lot of things in the military that are completely voluntary.

Of course, if you choose not to go, which is TOTALLY your right, we are going to need people to police the area. People to mow. People to paint. People to pick up trash. People to empty and inventory the connexes. Etc...

But, it's strictly volunteer.

Obviously it's impossible to serve in every organization, so I can only speak for the organizations I've worked with over the past 31 years and counting.

I've never seen a unit coerce Soldiers to attend these events or observances. Coerce them to do other things....sure. But for something like Women's History Month, nah.

But I'm sure there probably is that rare leadership chain out there who does stuff like this. Point is that is not the norm. It's the rare exception.

 

[NoDak]

Obviously it's impossible to serve in every organization, so I can only speak for the organizations I've worked with over the past 31 years and counting.

Let me enlighten you what the typical "identity" observance looks like in military circles.


And be honest. You think higher command is going to want a next to nothing turnout for these things? An empty gymnasium or parade field looking bad for the local paper? You think a bunch of single military folks are going to give up their free time to attend these things on their own? You think a bunch of married military are going to give up their free time with their families to attend these things? Or can those company commanders throw out the ol' volun-told to ensure a good turnout and not look bad in front of higher command?

 

[1bigfan13]

You think a bunch of single military folks are going to give up their free time to attend these things on their own? You think a bunch of married military are going to give up their free time with their families to attend these things?

Huh?

Unless there are some that I am completely unaware of, they are ALWAYS Mon-Fri, during the duty day. These events do not interfere with Soldiers free time.

So let me turn it on you.

Do you think a bunch of infantrymen or mechanics would rather take a two hour break to attend an air conditioned event with a free catered meal, or stay out in the hot sun working?

 

[1bigfan13]

Sometimes it's okay to admit you misread the assignment.

 

[Rev]

Do you think a bunch of infantrymen or mechanics would rather take a two hour break to attend an air conditioned event with a free catered meal, or stay out in the hot sun working?

My two employees would and do.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Thanks, I will.

Then don’t bitch and moan when inflation hits and job losses happen. Tariffs are fucking vile, especially when taxation already exists. It’s theft on top of theft.

 

[bbgun]

I think it is wild how republicans love tariffs now.

Not too worried about it. We have massive trade deficits with China, Canada and Mexico, meaning they need us way more than we need them, and will therefore be motivated to hammer out a deal. Trump tried this tactic last time and it worked. Meanwhile, the US economy will benefit from foreign competitors not taking sales away from domestic businesses.

 

[NoDak]

Huh?

Unless there are some that I am completely unaware of, they are ALWAYS Mon-Fri, during the duty day. These events do not interfere with Soldiers free time.

So let me turn it on you.

Do you think a bunch of infantrymen or mechanics would rather take a two hour break to attend an air conditioned event with a free catered meal, or stay out in the hot sun working?

The mechanic bays we had in Ft. Hood were shaded and had big swamp coolers. And I doubt they are gonna bus infantry in from field problems for anything like this. And if they are NOT out on field training? Well, then they aren't out in the hot sun any more than anyone else.

 

[NoDak]

Sometimes it's okay to admit you misread the assignment.

Is it ok to admit when you spoke for the entirety of 'military circles'?

 

[Genghis Khan]

Then don’t bitch and moan when inflation hits and job losses happen. Tariffs are fucking vile, especially when taxation already exists. It’s theft on top of theft.

Inflation hit years ago. This is the long game. The US is in a position of strength if you choose to weild it. I don't believe for a single second that we wouldn't win a pissing contest between us and Mexico/Canada. They will easily blink first.

As for inflation, I firmly believe that inflation is a hidden tax and I think steps are being done to correct it. Stepping up domestic oil production is one way and will yield potentially big benefits because the price of oil affects so much.

Tariffs are less of theft than direct taxes because you have no choice in taxes but you can choose to produce and or buy domestically. I don't think there's any ideal way for the government to raise money but if it's kept to a minimum that's best.

I do think this administration has a plan and I'm willing to be patient and let it play out. God knows the status quo, or alternatively whatever the frick the last administration was doing, wasn't working.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Inflation hit years ago. This is the long game. The US is in a position of strength if you choose to weild it. I don't believe for a single second that we wouldn't win a pissing contest between us and Mexico/Canada. They will easily blink first.

As for inflation, I firmly believe that inflation is a hidden tax and I think steps are being done to correct it. Stepping up domestic oil production is one way and will yield potentially big benefits because the price of oil affects so much.

Tariffs are less of theft than direct taxes because you have no choice in taxes but you can choose to produce and or buy domestically. I don't think there's any ideal way for the government to raise money but if it's kept to a minimum that's best.

I do think this administration has a plan and I'm willing to be patient and let it play out. God knows the status quo, or alternatively whatever the frick the last administration was doing, wasn't working.

Until the reality hits that the raw materials that we don’t produce are also impacted, which means that consumers don’t have the choice to pick alternative products; just like what happened the last time when he pulled this fucking stunt. Prices went up and stayed there. It’s irresponsible. It isn’t some “long game”. Trump isn’t smart enough for any of that. This is nothing more than his typical temper tantrum bullshit. And when it goes badly again, he’ll just blame someone else like he always does.

And seeing that we import far more goods than we export because the US is more of a service based economy than a manufacturing one, this will end badly, and it won’t take long before the financial impacts are felt. So, stop lying to yourself by claiming that this is a good thing. If your salary isn’t increasing at the same rate as price levels, then that incompetent dullard is fucking you financially. Supporting that is critically stupid.

 

[NoDak]

I do think this administration has a plan and I'm willing to be patient and let it play out. God knows the status quo, or alternatively whatever the frick the last administration was doing, wasn't working.

That's it, right there.

 

[Cujo]

Not too worried about it. We have massive trade deficits with China, Canada and Mexico, meaning they need us way more than we need them, and will therefore be motivated to hammer out a deal. Trump tried this tactic last time and it worked. Meanwhile, the US economy will benefit from foreign competitors not taking sales away from domestic businesses.

Moreover, if we are seeking a fairer deal, how else would we get it? By asking? I mean, what other way is there? It may suck in the short term but benefit us in the long run. I'm willing to take the LT approach.

 

[bbgun]

Moreover, if we are seeking a fairer deal, how else would we get it? By asking? I mean, what other way is there? It may suck in the short term but benefit us in the long run. I'm willing to take the LT approach.

You'd think that Covid would have taught us to make more of our own stuff instead of being at China's mercy, but you'd be wrong.